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Allowing transexuals into the Mormon church?

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:38 pm
by _Polygamy-Porter
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Re: Allowing transexuals into the Mormon church?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:26 am
by _zzyzx
Maybe posted in jest, but one of The Brethren some years ago gave a talk where he said those who underwent sex change operations would be very sorry about it after the resurrection and Judgment.

Can't remember who and don't want to look it up but I do remember thinking 'who really cares?" at the time.

Re: Allowing transexuals into the Mormon church?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:45 am
by _bcspace
Can't remember who and don't want to look it up but I do remember thinking 'who really cares?" at the time.


Why? Are you transexual?

Re: Allowing transexuals into the Mormon church?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:30 am
by _Uncle Dale
bcspace wrote:
Can't remember who and don't want to look it up but I do remember thinking 'who really cares?" at the time.


Why? Are you transexual?


What is a "transexual?"

When I resided in a south Asian village a baby was born with both male and
female sexual organs --- would that be a "transexual?"

A visiting British nurse inspected the baby and suggested that it be sent to
a charity hospital in Bombay, to have one set of the organs surgically removed.
Would that have made the infant a "transexual?"

Instead -- the next time there was a cremation funeral in the village, the
parents put the living baby into the fire (to be burned alive).

He... she... (whatever) then escaped the problem of the dual sexuality --
so I suppose at that point sexuality was "transcended." -- So perhaps that
would qualify the deceased infant as a "transexual."

UD

Re: Allowing transexuals into the Mormon church?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:54 am
by _just me
Uncle Dale wrote:What is a "transexual?"

When I resided in a south Asian village a baby was born with both male and
female sexual organs --- would that be a "transexual?"

A visiting British nurse inspected the baby and suggested that it be sent to
a charity hospital in Bombay, to have one set of the organs surgically removed.
Would that have made the infant a "transexual?"

Instead -- the next time there was a cremation funeral in the village, the
parents put the living baby into the fire (to be burned alive).

He... she... (whatever) then escaped the problem of the dual sexuality --
so I suppose at that point sexuality was "transcended." -- So perhaps that
would qualify the deceased infant as a "transexual."

UD


Holy hell, what an awful account!

That baby was intersex. And there is a whole spectrum to that, too.

Transexual (transgender?) are born physically male or female and feel that it is wrong so may take hormones or even surgery to correct/become what they mentally feel they are-the other sex.

ETA: We had a transexual man-to-woman in my last ward who was investigating the church.

Re: Allowing transexuals into the Mormon church?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:03 am
by _Uncle Dale
just me wrote:...what an awful account
...


It had been several generations since such a thing had happened there. The
Hindu priest had to consult some other priest. Finally the word came back that
such a "monster" (to quote the word the parents used) could only have been
born if the child's soul had been something horribly bad before its birth.

Under the Hindu religion, there was nothing wrong in putting a "monster" on
the funeral pyre.

But, if the baby's male sexual organs had been removed, and it grew up as
a girl, I wonder if the LDS would classify that situation as "transexual?" Is
such a thing allowable under the tenets of the LDS religion? If so, who would
make the decision, as to which set of organs to have removed?

UD

Allow Transsexuals into the Mormon Church!

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:08 am
by _moksha
Burning those who are different or banishing them and relegating them to hell differ as to the time scale of the action, but it seems they both hold the same quality of intolerance. Why can we not see that we are failing the responsibility of being both good Shepards and good humans when we perpetrate either event?

Re: Allowing transexuals into the Mormon church?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:16 am
by _bcspace
What is a "transexual?"

When I resided in a south Asian village a baby was born with both male and
female sexual organs --- would that be a "transexual?"


The context mentioned by zzyzx seemed to be that of getting a sex change operation.

Re: Allowing transexuals into the Mormon church?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:59 am
by _honorentheos
Uncle Dale wrote:If so, who would make the decision, as to which set of organs to have removed?

UD

2.5 cm rule?

Edited to add: http://www.isna.org/articles/ambivalent_medicine

Re: Allowing transexuals into the Mormon church?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:58 pm
by _harmony
I don't know about the current transexual, but if the person starts out Mormon and then undergoes the operation, you get excommunicated immediately. At least in my area you do. Happened to a friend of mine's brother-to-sister.