Joseph Antley wrote: I love the Book of Abraham. Like others I find its contents to be the best evidence of Joseph Smith's inspiration.
Yup many people who love the contents of some text may think because it feels right it is inspired. I wonder if Joseph thought things were inspired of God if he thought or felt them to be right. David Koresh also probably worked the same way. I agree that the contents are the best evidence for Joseph's inspiration, just not very good evdience for it being inspiration from a divine source, and coupled with so much devastating evidence against it I see no reasonable way to accept it as divine scripture, and it is a big blow to Joseph's other claims as well. But hey we can all feel uplifted by fictional stories.
zeezrom wrote:Ant: So the reason you love the Book of Abraham is evidence of inspiration or is there something in the content that you love?
Abraham 3 is one of my favorite chapters in the Standard Works.
"I'd say Joseph, that your anger levels are off the charts. What you are, Joseph, is a bully." - Gadianton "Antley's anger is approaching...levels of volcanic hatred." - Scratch
zeezrom wrote:I can't let you get away with this. As much as you want it to be true, I don't foresee my life becoming a giant question mark now that I've decided to go to the Catholic church... er - I mean stop believing in much of Mormonism.
I just learned today that Joseph Smith thought Osiris was Abraham.
I also heard someone say that the depiction of Osiris was meant (by God) to mean Abraham.
The fact that I find this bizarre has nothing to do with some increased amount of confusion in my life due to Satanic influence and everything to do with this simply being very bizarre.
I did not mean you life is one big question mark but rather issues within Mormonism. The catholic church is a good church. However, in matters of religion there are always more questions than answers and it is no different with the catholic church. Faith always plays a major role over evidence.
The Satanic influence is your own summation, not mine.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
zeezrom wrote:Ant: So the reason you love the Book of Abraham is evidence of inspiration or is there something in the content that you love?
The book of abraham is not a book. It consists of seven pages in the lds scripture. Not much. It's importance is in mentioning Kolob as being near the residence of god. Joseph Smith had a lot of guts making up such names to convince people that he was a prophet. If I were a conman, I would have left it alone and continued with the Book of Mormon...and let the snowflakes fall where may.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
harmony wrote: You didn't address the point, EE. Most members don't have access to the resources you do. Yet you're blaming us for our lack of sophistication? Blaming our teachers for teaching us that which is the manual?
You would have more credibility if you would resign from the church. Instead, you stay a membe and pretend to be active. I think that you should resign and move on. Your words would carry more weight if you did resign from the lds church.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote: You would have more credibility if you would resign from the church. Instead, you stay a membe and pretend to be active. I think that you should resign and move on. Your words would carry more weight if you did resign from the lds church.
You might want to put your money where your mouth is.
Dr. Shades wrote:And that's exactly what happened!
Ahh..but there is a loophole. Not all was found. Only a small portion of the JSP was uncovered.
It still does not account for Joseph Smith's risk taking of being uncovered. It would have been a no win situation for him. Eventually, he would have known that he would be discovered if he knew that he was commiting a fraud. And since, he was rather smart, I don't think that he would have commited such a risk.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Themis wrote: You might want to put your money where your mouth is.
Harmony is another Mormon enigma. She claims to be active and a temple goer if I remember correctly. However, her views and opinions seem to be in the exmo camp. And she would have more credibility if she would finally resign. If one believes that Joseph was a sexaholic and fraud, as she does, I see no point in being a member of the lds church.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:Ahh..but there is a loophole. Not all was found. Only a small portion of the JSP was uncovered.
But we found the portion that he did "translate." That's all that matters.
It still does not account for Joseph Smith's risk taking of being uncovered.
Back then, nobody could read Egyptian, so there was no risk of being uncovered.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
why me wrote:Harmony is another Mormon enigma. She claims to be active and a temple goer if I remember correctly. However, her views and opinions seem to be in the exmo camp. And she would have more credibility if she would finally resign. If one believes that Joseph was a sexaholic and fraud, as she does, I see no point in being a member of the lds church.
Which is why I said YOU need to put your money where your mouth is. I understand that you believe the claims of the church but don't really live them.