John Gee is a defender of lies

[_why me]

They were discontinued by the will of Gordon B Hinckley (PR man), a liar and a false prophet.

Paul O

You assume that GA's share your opinion that Joseph Smith was a false prophet and yet keep up the charade. Most likely this is false. I believe that that the GAs believe what they believe because they have their own testimony of Joseph Smith and the truthfulness of the gospel. And I would assume that the spiritual experiences that they experience are enough proof for them that their testimony is correct.

And this is no different for gordon b. hinckley or any other GA alive or dead. I can not see Gordon B. Hinkley knowingly keeping the fraud alive.

Now if there were a huge exodus of GAs from the Mormon faith and they become like you, that would be very damaging to the lds faith.

[_why me]

Which is why I said YOU need to put your money where your mouth is. I understand that you believe the claims of the church but don't really live them.

Not quite. I have a rather open mind about it all. But if I had an absolute belief that Joseph Smith was a fraud like harmony, I would have left long ago. What would be the point of staying a member? Harmony, over and over again, makes statements that Joseph Smith was a sex fanatic and a fraud. And yet, she remains. I make no such statements.

She, like emma, is a Mormon enigma.

[_Nightlion]

Bring Joseph Smith before me and I will smack him down.
Paul O

Alright there Paulnubis you got me pissed off.

Joseph Smith was the last man on earth who needed to come up with anything more to impress anyone.

I think you've got a broken heart from failing to be the champion you thought you could be. Instead of realizing why it was that you failed, because you were denied by incompetent LDS leadership the real and true spiritual assets you need to come of a conqueror, you betray the righteous.

Joseph Smith was the first righteous man of his generation. And of many generations before him. All the LDS presidents from Grant on deserve no respect. And one in particular before Joseph F. But Joseph Smith did bring the real gospel of Jesus Christ to life. First in himself. Then in scriptures. lots and lots of scriptures.

You do not even know what he produced because you have to be born again to see it. It is not even a controversy among the righteous as to IF Joseph Smith was a great prophet. He was all that and more.

I am glad the Book of Abraham is shaking down the LDS hypocrisy. More power to it. The present abominations could not be more wicked as they know but will not do. People cannot get more wicked than that. Hedonism is nothing to compare to this hypocrisy that holds the truth in defiance.

Joseph was a great enough prophet to know how our day would turn out. He might have played fast and loose with the papyri. Perhaps just for a moment like this, to undress the arrogance of the Gentiles. I have not got a handle on it. I will.

I don't care about how soon that might be. I am not promising anything and do not care what damages come to the LDS Church. But I for one will always defend Joseph Smith as if he were my only friend in life. I would take any smack down you want to vent against him without the slightest resistance. And consider it an honor. I know the man. You only know your own hate and self loathing.

[_RockSlider]

Joseph was a great enough prophet to know how our day would turn out. He might have played fast and loose with the papyri. Perhaps just for a moment like this, to undress the arrogance of the Gentiles. I have not got a handle on it. I will.

I don't care about how soon that might be. I am not promising anything and do not care what damages come to the LDS Church. But I for one will always defend Joseph Smith as if he were my only friend in life. I would take any smack down you want to vent against him without the slightest resistance. And consider it an honor. I know the man. You only know your own hate and self loathing.

If I'm understanding this right, if you come up with a convincing answer to this one, you'll have more darn followers than you can shake a stick at!

[_Themis]

Not quite. I have a rather open mind about it all. But if I had an absolute belief that Joseph Smith was a fraud like harmony, I would have left long ago. What would be the point of staying a member? Harmony, over and over again, makes statements that Joseph Smith was a sex fanatic and a fraud. And yet, she remains. I make no such statements.

She, like emma, is a Mormon enigma.

And you like to defend Joseph and the church but not live it, while accusing her of living it but not believing it. Hmm sounds a little hypocritical to me

[_moksha]

http://nowscape.com/Mormon/perfect_B.htm

Paul O

Paul, are you saying that Facsimile #3 was an ancient Egyptian review of A Chorus Line?

[_Nightlion]

If I'm understanding this right, if you come up with a convincing answer to this one, you'll have more darn followers than you can shake a stick at!

If I do don't go and sell the farm. What ever I bring it will be willfully ignored, with blinders, behind a welder's mask, in a cement bunker, flooded, and shot out into space, landing upon the dark side of the mooooooooooooooooon, kind of ignored.

It has happened before, more than once, with what I esteem was greater and more important than the Book of Abraham.

[_RockSlider]

If I'm understanding this right, if you come up with a convincing answer to this one, you'll have more darn followers than you can shake a stick at!

If I do don't go and sell the farm. What ever I bring it will be willfully ignored, with blinders, behind a welder's mask, in a cement bunker, flooded, and shot out into space, landing upon the dark side of the mooooooooooooooooon, kind of ignored.

It has happened before, more than once, with what I esteem was greater and more important than the Book of Abraham.

you spooked me at last year's ex-mo, you are one crazy bastard, but there's something about you I like.

Please share it with me, if/when it comes.

[_zzyzx]

"not his affair (for which no documentary evidence exists)."

Sure can't trust Oliver Cowardly and his statements of the 'dirty and nasty affair', can we. After all, the guy must be a born Liar and nothing he said is trustworthy.
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"Faith always plays a major role over evidence."

This is why LDSinc has the same problem as the Catholics. Took the RomeBoys a few hundred years to admit the Earth is round, not flat... Failure to admit reality doesn't change it.

[_why me]

And you like to defend Joseph and the church but not live it, while accusing her of living it but not believing it. Hmm sounds a little hypocritical to me

Harmony acts like a believer and yet, she really does not believe. If one believes that Joseph was a sexaholic and a fraud, how can one believe in the church? It is a contradiction. If I had harmony's attitude toward Joseph Smith, I would never be a member.

Now believing and not living it is much more understandable and their are many members like me. But believing Joseph Smith was a horny toad, a fraud as harmony does and yet, still remain a member and attend the temple, is a contradiction.