Question for harmony: "My Truth"

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Question for harmony: "My Truth"

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From the other thread "If you knew then what you know now", harmony said:

harmony wrote:I already had my truth, and I have maintained that truth throughout my year's within the church.

So, do you distinguish at all between The Truth and "[your] truth?" It kind of sounds like you might (otherwise, why would you call it "my truth" and regard it as something you have to "maintain"), and I guess I'm hoping you do. Can something be the truth for you and not for other people (other than personal circumstances, attributes, etc... the obvious stuff).

This expression of "my truth" got me curious as to just what you mean.

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Re: Question for harmony: "My Truth"

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Well, when faced with an unknowable, at some point we have to make a decision about what we believe to be true. This becomes "my truth", since my truth has every bit as much possibility of being true as your truth does.

It would probably be better to label it as "my belief", but your brain acts on what it perceives as truths. There is a filter in the mind that requires a belief to be true.

I believe that there is no God. However, all my decision are made based on my surety of no God. Deep down, my belief has turned into "my own truth".
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I interpret "my truth" to be a set of true things about myself. The process of self-discovery and acceptance is ongoing for me and I'm late starting since a certain force in my life once taught that to obey one's leaders is better than to understand oneself. I try to avoid putting it that way though since it does have a sort of post-modern feel to it.
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Re: Question for harmony: "My Truth"

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Scottie wrote:Well, when faced with an unknowable, at some point we have to make a decision about what we believe to be true. This becomes "my truth", since my truth has every bit as much possibility of being true as your truth does.

It would probably be better to label it as "my belief", but your brain acts on what it perceives as truths. There is a filter in the mind that requires a belief to be true.

I believe that there is no God. However, all my decision are made based on my surety of no God. Deep down, my belief has turned into "my own truth".

I think I hear what you're saying, but I'm not like that. When confronted with unknowable stuff, I openly admit, I don't know. I have hypotheses about things, but they're tucked away in a junk drawer and I don't use them except for entertainment.

The only thing for which I have a tremendous degree of certainty is that there's a ton of stuff I don't know. I'm amused by people who try to come off as knowledgeable because I always suspect they know the least. I think knowing a lot of facts can easily get in the way of deeper learning and understanding.
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Re: Question for harmony: "My Truth"

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Euthyphro wrote:I interpret "my truth" to be a set of true things about myself. The process of self-discovery and acceptance is ongoing for me and I'm late starting since a certain force in my life once taught that to obey one's leaders is better than to understand oneself. I try to avoid putting it that way though since it does have a sort of post-modern feel to it.

Yeah, I think it's a misleading way to phrase that idea. I'm constantly learning and engaging in self-discovery, but by no means would I want to call that "my truth" since my perception of myself changes daily. I think it devalues the definition of the word "truth" if it's used like that.
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Re: Question for harmony: "My Truth"

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Some Schmo wrote:
Euthyphro wrote:I interpret "my truth" to be a set of true things about myself. The process of self-discovery and acceptance is ongoing for me and I'm late starting since a certain force in my life once taught that to obey one's leaders is better than to understand oneself. I try to avoid putting it that way though since it does have a sort of post-modern feel to it.

Yeah, I think it's a misleading way to phrase that idea. I'm constantly learning and engaging in self-discovery, but by no means would I want to call that "my truth" since my perception of myself changes daily. I think it devalues the definition of the word "truth" if it's used like that.


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Some Schmo wrote:Yeah, I think it's a misleading way to phrase that idea. I'm constantly learning and engaging in self-discovery, but by no means would I want to call that "my truth" since my perception of myself changes daily. I think it devalues the definition of the word "truth" if it's used like that.

I'll play. I like how you value truth. I think its a great place to start.

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Re: Question for harmony: "My Truth"

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I was going to post this in the other thread, but I know how Jersey Girl gets when you mess with her threads. (That was said out of love).



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Re: Question for harmony: "My Truth"

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harmony wrote: I knew if I waited long enough, your motives would become clear.

Not gonna play the game, Schmo.

What motives? What game? I'm genuinely curious what you meant.

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Re: Question for harmony: "My Truth"

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Some Schmo wrote:The only thing for which I have a tremendous degree of certainty is that there's a ton of stuff I don't know. I'm amused by people who try to come off as knowledgeable because I always suspect they know the least. I think knowing a lot of facts can easily get in the way of deeper learning and understanding.

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