New Testimonies On Ex-MST

[_ExMormonScholar]

http://exmormonscholarstestify.org/testimonies.html

[_MrStakhanovite]

HOT DOG!




Keep em' commin'!

[_why me]

I am still not impressed with the testimonies. They seem to lack something. I suppose they lack proof of conviction. Of course, people leave various religious faiths for various of reasons. But in the end, it doesn't mean much. It just means that people felt disillusioned with their former faith.

I still see no silver bullet in the testimonies. I just see the same old same old: church history and DNA. I have no idea what people expect to find in any church history. All churches have imperfections in their histories. Still, not one of the testimonies have mentioned the witnesses to the Book of Mormon. 11 people who testified about what they saw and experienced. And reconfirmed their testimonies on their deathbeds and why they would do so.

These witnesses are usually passed over in silence.

[_zeezrom]

One guy, Ken, worked at CES for 27 years?

Why Me - they may or may not be impressive to you, but you have to admit that is interesting. I would be interested in seeing what a guy who worked at CES that long would have to say now.

[_TAK]

These witnesses are usually passed over in silence.

Well that's not true!

Mark Twain observed: "I could not feel more satisfied and at rest if the entire Whitmer family had testified."

[_harmony]

I am still not impressed with the testimonies. They seem to lack something. I suppose they lack proof of conviction. Of course, people leave various religious faiths for various of reasons. But in the end, it doesn't mean much. It just means that people felt disillusioned with their former faith.

Proof? Do you require proof from LDS testimonies? Proof has no place in a testimony, WhyMe. Next thing you know, we'll see you contemplating your navel and calling it evidence!

I still see no silver bullet in the testimonies. I just see the same old same old: church history and DNA.

How odd. People still get upset about the same things... lies, cover ups, and financial mismanagement.

I have no idea what people expect to find in any church history. All churches have imperfections in their histories.

Yeah, those pesky Catholics are still hiding the Crusades and the Inquisition, just like the Mormons are hiding our history.

Still, not one of the testimonies have mentioned the witnesses to the Book of Mormon. 11 people who testified about what they saw and experienced. And reconfirmed their testimonies on their deathbeds and why they would do so.

These witnesses are usually passed over in silence.

Mainly because they weren't credible when they were alive and they're even less credible now.

[_JoeSmith]

I am still not impressed with the testimonies. They seem to lack something. I suppose they lack proof of conviction. Of course, people leave various religious faiths for various of reasons. But in the end, it doesn't mean much. It just means that people felt disillusioned with their former faith.

I still see no silver bullet in the testimonies. I just see the same old same old: church history and DNA. I have no idea what people expect to find in any church history. All churches have imperfections in their histories. Still, not one of the testimonies have mentioned the witnesses to the Book of Mormon. 11 people who testified about what they saw and experienced. And reconfirmed their testimonies on their deathbeds and why they would do so.

These witnesses are usually passed over in silence.

Same old? DNA and history. What more is there? The witnesses are not reliable at all. They would witness to anything. Lets not forget James Strang. All of the witnesses (except for cowdery) believed Strang was the next prophet simply by reading a letter. How reliable are they?

You sound like the douche Jeff Lindsay. Why would they still believe to their dying day but not be part of the church until their death beds? Probably because they were tired of jumping back and forth from anyone claiming to be a prophet. I guess Joe's church is the one for me. I did see the gold plates, or did I? Was it during a vision? I can't seem to remember. What about Emma? She was a reliable witness. She won't be going to the celestial kingdom though. Nor will her children. They are not Mormon. However, God does play favorites in Mormonism though, so maybe Emma and Joe's kids will make it, simply being related to the demi-god prophet. Helen Kimball and her family were guaranteed to make it to heaven simply by marrying Joe. Wow. If I was guaranteed to make it to heaven, I would marry Joe too!!!!

Is deathbed repentance okay? I think I'll get re-baptized when I'm 90, just in case.

[_why me]

Proof? Do you require proof from LDS testimonies? Proof has no place in a testimony, WhyMe. Next thing you know, we'll see you contemplating your navel and calling it evidence!

How odd. People still get upset about the same things... lies, cover ups, and financial mismanagement.

Yeah, those pesky Catholics are still hiding the Crusades and the Inquisition, just like the Mormons are hiding our history.

Mainly because they weren't credible when they were alive and they're even less credible now.

I have said it before, scholars testifying of the truthfulness of the lds church is a powerful witness during this age of dawkins intellectualism. When one reads dawkins or hitchens, one finds intellectuals who are atheists and they tend to make a rational argument for atheisim. For religious believers the only way to combat it is to find intellectuals who still believe in god or in particular churches.

But there is nothing unique in former members of any faith, writing why they no longer believe.

Not many catholics know about the crusades nor the inquistion. They may have heard the terms but lack the details.

The witnesses are a powerful testimony of what happened and what they saw, especially the deathbed testimonies as they prepared to meet their maker. They would need balls of steel to keep lying as they knew death was at hand.

[_why me]

Same old? DNA and history. What more is there? The witnesses are not reliable at all. They would witness to anything. Lets not forget James Strang. All of the witnesses (except for cowdery) believed Strang was the next prophet simply by reading a letter. How reliable are they?

Is deathbed repentance okay? I think I'll get re-baptized when I'm 90, just in case.

Yep, when all else fails, lets bring in james strang, the man who copied the way the Book of Mormon was written. And to find witnesses too. But strang's church failed and his witnesses recanted.

Let me put it this way, usually on a deathbed one attempts to make peace with god and certainly if I were one of the witnesses and I knew that I lied, I would attempt to make a wrong a right before I faced my maker. I would have nothing to lose and all to gain.

[_why me]

These witnesses are usually passed over in silence.

Well that's not true!

Mark Twain observed: "I could not feel more satisfied and at rest if the entire Whitmer family had testified."

Yep, lets bring up Twain, the man who had very little respect for religion.