The Website that Decimated Oxygenadam's Testimony

[Guest]

I still think there is room in the church for someone like me who believes that Jesus suffered and died for us, not because we deserve it, but because He loves us and is merciful.

And to judge from what you and others have said about their experiences on this and many similar occasions, your proper position in that room according to the CoJCoLDS appears to be at the back with tape over your mouth.

Why on earth would you want to be there under those conditions?

(It is odd too to see how the usage 'the church', meaning the CoJCoLDS, persists amongst very intelligent and critically minded people who clearly no longer have any belief that it is, as it claims to be, the only church authorized by its deity on earth. Habit, I suppose, but all the same ...)

[_sethpayne]

Sir,

Do you not understand what the Saturn stones at the Salt Lake temple represent? Regardless, you do not think Mr. Eloheim dwells nigh unto Kolob?

Also, are you actually intimating that Mr. Eloheim does not have sex with his wives? This would be heresy!

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

Dearest and Most Gracious Sir,

I fail to see the relevance of your above statement to your original assertion that:

[The LDS church] is clearly damaging to most of its adherents

I have asked for a CFR and in all sincerety, would love to see sociological studies that support this bold assertion.

Saturn stones and Elohim have nothing to do with your assertion. However, I admire your effort to deflect away from my critique of the weakness of your assertion.

Would you be willing to ammend your assertion to something like this?

"Some aspects of Mormon theology and culture are harmful (a highly subjective term) to some members for a variety of reasons. Conversely, some aspects of Mormon theology and culture are extremely helpful (a highly subjective term) to some members for a variety of reasons."

To me, this would seem to be a much more reasonable assertion, don't you think, kind sir?

Your original assertion is absurd hyperbole. Please concede this point or provide evidence (not anecdotes) to support the assertion. I'm really not asking for much.

In all kindness,

Seth

P.S. OH MY!

[_Gadianton]

Christ, Jehovah, and the Witnesses: Mark E. Peterson. I have a photocopy, good luck finding it.

(OA's response -- but that was just one pamphlet and it was a long time ago...it doesn't count!)

by the way, Doctor Scratch, nice slam dunk my friend! OA is reaching new lows of spin and distortion maintaining this contrived worldview that Evangelical Christian ministries are from the pit of hell while Mopologists are the white knights defending the honor of their sacred beliefs.

Most of these ministries are non-profit so they aren't "profiting" either. If we're going to throw that the window too, then to be consistent we shouldn't take FARMS's non-profit status too seriously either. On that account, FARMS is not just a mudslinging for-profit attack ministry of its own, but it comes close to being an anti-Mormon ministry given the many hatchet reviews they've done of books written by fellow members of the church.

[_Runtu]

And to judge from what you and others have said about their experiences on this and many similar occasions, your proper position in that room according to the CoJCoLDS appears to be at the back with tape over your mouth.

Why on earth would you want to be there under those conditions?

I wonder the same thing often.

(It is odd too to see how the usage 'the church', meaning the CoJCoLDS, persists amongst very intelligent and critically minded people who clearly no longer have any belief that it is, as it claims to be, the only church authorized by its deity on earth. Habit, I suppose, but all the same ...)

I figure I can use "the church" as shorthand here because it is, after all, a board dedicated to Mormon discussions. What other church would I be referring to?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Dear Mr. Sethpayne,

You believe it mentally healthy that someone believes in an anatomically correct male god that has sex with his harem on a planet located hear Kolob, and that kind of belief does not, in fact, create a psychologically and socially damaging paradigm within the Mormon adherent? How can you be mentally healthy when you, in fact, believe in absurdities to be a certain thing? How do you distinguish between reality, lies, fabrications and the sort when you believe in fairy tales, and advocate such things to be taught to children and other adults?

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Dear Sir,

Mega, huge, peer-reviewed, non-anecdotal -- you get my point -- CFR.
!

Sir,

Here is my reference for your CFR:

Anything posted by Mr. BCSpace, Mr. Droopy, Ms. Juliann, or Mr. William Schryver. In fact, anything posted by any believing Mormon on the appropriately named MADboard.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[Guest]

by the way, Doctor Scratch, nice slam dunk my friend!

Here here! The Church of Doctor Scratch is, in fact, the One True Church® that "slam dunks" all other churchs in doctrine, and pure logic. Led by our prophet, Doctor Scratch, who has declared that He is always correct, and therefore the thinking has been done. We would be lost without Holy Scratch and his teachings, let us all worship him.

I stand all amazed at the love Doctor Scratch offers me. Confused at the grace that so fully he or she profers me.

[When you have something of substance to contribute, let me know].

[_Chap]

(It is odd too to see how the usage 'the church', meaning the CoJCoLDS, persists amongst very intelligent and critically minded people who clearly no longer have any belief that it is, as it claims to be, the only church authorized by its deity on earth. Habit, I suppose, but all the same ...)

I figure I can use "the church" as shorthand here because it is, after all, a board dedicated to Mormon discussions. What other church would I be referring to?

In one sense, yes of course.

In another sense, even on a board devoted to discussion (in the main) of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it seems a useful measure of rhetorical and perhaps intellectual hygiene to use language that relegates that organisation to its proper quite minor role as just one amongst many (self-identified) Christian groups, and of course as a mere groupuscule amongst world religions as a whole.

[_oxygenadam]

Sir,

Here is my reference for your CFR:

Anything posted by Mr. BCSpace, Mr. Droopy, Ms. Juliann, or Mr. William Schryver. In fact, anything posted by any believing Mormon on the appropriately named MADboard.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

Nice slam dunk! This is just more proof that the CoDS (Church of Doctor Scratch) is the One True Church®.

[_sethpayne]

Dear Mr. Sethpayne,

You believe it mentally healthy that someone believes in an anatomically correct male god that has sex with his harem on a planet located hear Kolob, and that kind of belief does not, in fact, create a psychologically and socially damaging paradigm within the Mormon adherent? How can you be mentally healthy when you, in fact, believe in absurdities to be a certain thing? How do you distinguish between reality, lies, fabrications and the sort when you believe in fairy tales, and advocate such things to be taught to children and other adults?

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

Most Kind, Benevolent, and Wise Sir,

I have asked you substantiate your claim that the LDS Church does damage to most of its adherents. Thus far, you have been unable to do so with any type of sociological studies and peer-reviewed data.

What is even more troubling is that rather than address my question head-on, or admit that your original assertion was at best, a vast and unsubstantiated understatement, you start to question me about specific Mormon truth-claims. I fail to see the relevance, quite honestly.

All you have put forth are you own particular views on the subject. Are you willing to modify your bold assertion and say that in your opinion, the LDS Church does damaage to most of its adherents?

Seth