Schryver and the KEP: What They're Saying

[_Nomad]

It must be really good snake oil: Schryver's FAIR Presentation, A Game Changer?

[_dblagent007]

I think Tvedtnes (sp?) has been invited to preview Schryver’s presentation. Don’t know if he’s done it. As I understand it, a lot of Tvedtnes’ theory is compatible with what Schryver argues. I’ll be surprised if Tvedtnes doesn’t agree completely with Schryver’s thesis.

What I take from this and Greg Smith's posts on MAD is that Will has resurrected the mnemonic device theory in a fashion that absolutely crushes all the critics. Is that right?

[_DarkHelmet]

I think Tvedtnes (sp?) has been invited to preview Schryver’s presentation. Don’t know if he’s done it. As I understand it, a lot of Tvedtnes’ theory is compatible with what Schryver argues. I’ll be surprised if Tvedtnes doesn’t agree completely with Schryver’s thesis.

What I take from this and Greg Smith's posts on MAD is that Will has resurrected the mnemonic device theory in a fashion that absolutely crushes all the critics. Is that right?

A new take on the mnemonic device theory? That theory is almost as funny as horse=tapir. At this point I think it would be easier to simply remove the Book of Abraham from the canon. Keep the parts they like, such as chapter 3, and slip it into the D&C as a revelation to Joseph Smith. Sure, it would be a blatant admission of defeat on the Book of Abraham debate, but the members wouldn't care.

[_Kevin Graham]

I've printed this out and debating whether or not I should frame it:

I have also seen Schryver’s presentation on a video he has produced. It is, for lack of a better word, stunning. I don’t pretend to know very much about this stuff, but I’ve followed the online discussions from a distance. What was obvious to me after viewing the video is that there is a huge gulf between Will’s knowledge of the KEP and that of anyone else I am aware of, including Brent Metcalfe, Chris Smith, Kevin Graham, Paul Osborn. I feel like I learned more about the KEP in one hour than in all the other things I have ever seen or read before now. I will be really curious to see how the critics respond to Schryver’s presentation. From what I could tell, he takes the old theories about the KEP being “translation documents” and basically annihilates them.

What I would like to see is a public debate on this stuff. Kind of like Ashment and Nibley did back in the 70s. I’d fly out to a Sunstone or FAIR conference just to see Metcalfe or Christopher Smith debate Schryver about this stuff. Although, after Schryver does his presentation in two weeks, I very much doubt Metcalfe or Smith would consent to such a debate. I don’t think Will is going to leave much for them to defend. Maybe we’ll finally get to talk about what the Book of Abraham says and whether it is an authentic ancient account of Abraham, instead of talking about how it came to be.

[_Joseph]

So this guy believes Joseph Smith was lying about being able to translate the papyrus? Why don't they just get a copy of his egyptian grammar pamphlet and see for themselves what reality is. Obviously Joseph Smith could translate Egyptian if he went so far as to publish a grammar/translation booklet on it. Probably secretly being used by Egyptologists across the world to tell what Egyptian symbols really mean but they are too proud or stiff necked to admit it.

Right?

[_DarkHelmet]

I've printed this out and debating whether or not I should frame it:

Maybe we’ll finally get to talk about what the Book of Abraham says and whether it is an authentic ancient account of Abraham, instead of talking about how it came to be.

How it came to be is how one determines if it is an authentic ancient document. It's funny how apologists can't grasp this concept.

[_The Dude]

How it came to be is how one determines if it is an authentic ancient document. It's funny how apologists can't grasp this concept.

Magic allows one to ignore the usual concepts of provenance.

[_moksha]

I hope some of you who are able to verify the validity of this work make it to the FAIR Conference.

[_just me]

I just wonder if it is wise to hype it up so much. That usually just leads to a bigger let down.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

I admit I am new to the game, but does anyone know whether Greg Smith, Nomad, and Will Schryver are the same person? Their writing style is very similar.