Schryver and the KEP: What They're Saying

[_harmony]

I'm a bit confused by a few things.

1. Will has no calling, no special dispensation to essentially do the work of the official church historian. Are we now allowing uncalled people to set themselves up as authorities? We have a person who is the official church historian, right? Why isn't he heading this?

2. Is Will expecting to make any money off this?

3. Where are the Brethren in this? If something new is going to be revealed, 1) why aren't they doing revealing, and 2) have they abdicated their "seer and revelator" duties to volunteers?

If this is as important as Will and Co say it is, then this is a direct slap at the Brethren and their authority to reveal that which God wants revealed to his church.

[_Spider-to-the-Fly]

I'm a bit confused by a few things.

1. Will has no calling, no special dispensation to essentially do the work of the official church historian. Are we now allowing uncalled people to set themselves up as authorities? We have a person who is the official church historian, right? Why isn't he heading this?

2. Is Will expecting to make any money off this?

3. Where are the Brethren in this? If something new is going to be revealed, 1) why aren't they doing revealing, and 2) have they abdicated their "seer and revelator" duties to volunteers?

If this is as important as Will and Co say it is, then this is a direct slap at the Brethren and their authority to reveal that which God wants revealed to his church.

Ms. harmony,

It used to be that when the Prophet had spoken, the thinking was done.

Now, when FARMS and FAIR have done the thinking, the Prophet will speak.

Weren't you just yesterday betting on Daniel being able to drag the reluctant Mormon Church into reality?

The Church is less embarrassing for BYU professors now that it is this way.

Regards,

Spider.

[_harmony]

It used to be that when the Prophet had spoken, the thinking was done.

Now, when FARMS and FAIR have done the thinking, the Prophet will speak.

Well, I'll be interested to hear what he says, as long as his discourse doesn't include some poor widow woman he knew back in the 40's.

And sincde when does Will speak for FARMS/MI? I'm not even sure FAIR is comfortable with the idea of him speaking for them.

Weren't you just yesterday betting on Daniel being able to drag the reluctant Mormon Church into reality?

Perhaps I should rephrase: if anyone can pull the church into reality, it will be Daniel... provided he sees that doing so gives him an advantage. Otherwise, he won't do it either.

The Church is less embarrassing for BYU professors now that it is this way.

They may be less embarrassed, but that's a long ways from being respected.

[_Kevin Graham]

Just to reinforce my point about the level of LDS ignorance on this matter, look no further than here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13192

Jskains asks a slew of questions that pretty much reveal he hasn't grasped the rudimentaries of the subject, and I think this is pretty representative of the general MAD population who are generally taken for a ride by Will's apologetics. I mean look at the people who are fawning over Will's presentation, and then tell me who in that crowd has ever said anything informative on the matter.

Greg Smith, Juliann, Nomad?

Juliann just outed herself as knowing next to nothing about the KEP.

So I've never understood what the KEP is let alone what it all means. Now [after hearing Schryver's presentation] I get it. Which means I can talk about it now without blundering too badly.

If Greg Smith says the same thing, Kevin will be 3 for 3.

Greg said, "I am not an expert on the Book of Abraham; I follow it with interest but from a distance."

I'd say I'm batting .1000 now.

[_Spider-to-the-Fly]

If Greg Smith says the same thing, Kevin will be 3 for 3.

*****

Greg said, "I am not an expert on the Book of Abraham; I follow it with interest but from a distance."

I'd say I'm batting .1000 now.

Mr. Graham,

Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Will is the Book of Abraham god.

Regards,

Spider.

[_Spider-to-the-Fly]

Ms. harmony,

Now I understand and don't want to be on the wrong end of the first 4 letters of your moniker.

It used to be that when the Prophet had spoken, the thinking was done.

Now, when FARMS and FAIR have done the thinking, the Prophet will speak.

Well, I'll be interested to hear what he says, as long as his discourse doesn't include some poor widow woman he knew back in the 40's.

And sincde when does Will speak for FARMS/MI? I'm not even sure FAIR is comfortable with the idea of him speaking for them.

Those stories are quaint, the humor of grammar school quality, and the doddering a bit out of time. Not quite the image the Mormon Church wants and includes in its TV ad campaigns.

Weren't you just yesterday betting on Daniel being able to drag the reluctant Mormon Church into reality?

Perhaps I should rephrase: if anyone can pull the church into reality, it will be Daniel... provided he sees that doing so gives him an advantage. Otherwise, he won't do it either.

So it is all about Daniel the Grandiose. Ouch!

The Church is less embarrassing for BYU professors now that it is this way.

They may be less embarrassed, but that's a long ways from being respected.

"Ms. harmony took her ax,
Gave the Church a couple of whacks,
When she saw what she'd done,
She gave Daniel another one."

Regards,

Spider.

[_dblagent007]

Yes, I have to say that, although I am not a Book of Abraham pundit, I have spent much time discussing the text with Don, and I am completely baffled as to how it is Will could possibly hope to show that the first three chapters of the Book of Abraham were translated in Kirtland before the KEP were produced. The break at 2:18 is very well supported.

Hmmm, I wonder what the most likely outcome will be? Who's view of the evidence will win out, Don or Will's. Keep in mind that Don Bradley is widely respected for his careful, thoughtful, even-handed scholarship and Will is widely known for his sloppy, barely half-baked scholarship. I know where I'd put my money.

[_harmony]

So it is all about Daniel the Grandiose. Ouch!

He wasn't called The Great One on Z because he was so humble, spidey.

"Ms. harmony took her ax,
Gave the Church a couple of whacks,
When she saw what she'd done,
She gave Daniel another one."

Not an ax... a sledgehammer, maybe, but not an ax. (*wink*)

I'm not known for my tact and finesse.