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Hoorah! for Elder Jensen

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Departing from typical Pioneer Day themes, the LDS Church historian and recorder spoke of Utah's 1847 American Indian population in his address Saturday at the traditional Days of '47 Sunrise Service in the Salt Lake Tabernacle.

Elder Marlin K. Jensen borrowed a phrase from late radio newscaster Paul Harvey, saying he would give the "rest of the story" pertaining to the coming of the Mormon pioneers to the Salt Lake Valley, a story he said "is seldom given adequate prominence."


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7000 ... rived.html

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"Brigham Young over time grew to become an important Indian ally," Elder Jensen said, noting that the church president, as territorial governor and superintendent of Indian affairs, exerted considerable influence over Indian-settler relations.

"On balance, it appears that in those early years, Indians got along better with Mormons than they did with other white people,"


Yeah, there are some notable examples of Mormons and Indians banding together for a common cause...

Quite notable...
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beefcalf wrote:
"Brigham Young over time grew to become an important Indian ally," Elder Jensen said, noting that the church president, as territorial governor and superintendent of Indian affairs, exerted considerable influence over Indian-settler relations.

"On balance, it appears that in those early years, Indians got along better with Mormons than they did with other white people,"


Yeah, there are some notable examples of Mormons and Indians banding together for a common cause...

Quite notable...

M. mentalgymnast,

Hoorah! for Elder Jensen the day he makes William Clayton's diaries entirely open to the public, rather than just quoting what he likes from them as he did to the Deseret News reporter.

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Spider-to-the-Fly wrote:
Hoorah! for Elder Jensen the day he makes William Clayton's diaries entirely open to the public, rather than just quoting what he likes from them as he did to the Deseret News reporter.

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Did he not quote from the published diaries?
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beefcalf wrote:
"Brigham Young over time grew to become an important Indian ally," Elder Jensen said, noting that the church president, as territorial governor and superintendent of Indian affairs, exerted considerable influence over Indian-settler relations.

"On balance, it appears that in those early years, Indians got along better with Mormons than they did with other white people,"


Yeah, there are some notable examples of Mormons and Indians banding together for a common cause...

Quite notable...


Why, beefcalf: whatever could you possibly mean?

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beefcalf wrote:
"Brigham Young over time grew to become an important Indian ally," Elder Jensen said, noting that the church president, as territorial governor and superintendent of Indian affairs, exerted considerable influence over Indian-settler relations.

"On balance, it appears that in those early years, Indians got along better with Mormons than they did with other white people,"


Yeah, there are some notable examples of Mormons and Indians banding together for a common cause...

Quite notable...


I would suppose that you are referring to Mountain Meadows.

http://historynewsnetwork.org/roundup/a ... 7/4/#38211
Some observers suspect a rising tide of anti-Mormonism accounts for today's intense focus on Mountain Meadows.

Jan Shipps, professor emeritus of religious studies and history at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis and an expert on Mormonism, doubts that Young was involved in the massacre.

"My sense is that Brigham Young was not that dumb as to order people to kill a wagon train" and stir up more ill feelings toward Mormons, she said.

Nevertheless, she said, the prospect of implicating Young and his church in a historic tragedy appeals to modern-day critics.


Yep.

Should not we show appreciation for Elder Jensen lifting up his voice in proclaiming that there is more to Pioneer Day celebration than meets the eye's first glance? I think he made some positive steps forward. Wouldn't you agree? His remarks took members of the church one more step in the direction of a more open and honest portrayal of history. Is this not a good thing?

It seems that when a General Authority makes a positive step forward in scraping off some of the pealing whitewash that has been applied and accumulated on the Mormon history picket fence over time, there are those that have to jump in and mandate/require that a high powered sandblaster should be used to do the job.

I think Elder Jensen knows what he's doing. Inoculation of the saints needs to occur bit by bit over time. by the way, I'd bet he knows his Mormon history as well as any of the GA's.

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mentalgymnast wrote:I would suppose that you are referring to Mountain Meadows.

http://historynewsnetwork.org/roundup/a ... 7/4/#38211
Some observers suspect a rising tide of anti-Mormonism accounts for today's intense focus on Mountain Meadows.

Jan Shipps, professor emeritus of religious studies and history at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis and an expert on Mormonism, doubts that Young was involved in the massacre.

"My sense is that Brigham Young was not that dumb as to order people to kill a wagon train" and stir up more ill feelings toward Mormons, she said.

Nevertheless, she said, the prospect of implicating Young and his church in a historic tragedy appeals to modern-day critics.


Yep.


I must have missed where beefcalf said that the MMM was the result of Brigham Young putting a hit on those people. But it isn't as if this is some random allusion to the massacre; it directly pertained to your OP.

As far as Brigham Young, though: was Nixon forced to resign because he actually participated in the Watergate break-in, or because he covered it up?

Should not we show appreciation for Elder Jensen lifting up his voice in proclaiming that there is more to Pioneer Day celebration than meets the eye's first glance? I think he made some positive steps forward. Wouldn't you agree? His remarks took members of the church one more step in the direction of a more open and honest portrayal of history. Is this not a good thing?

It seems that when a General Authority makes a positive step forward in scraping off some of the pealing whitewash that has been applied and accumulated on the Mormon history picket fence over time, there are those that have to jump in and mandate/require that a high powered sandblaster should be used to do the job.


Are you sure? Take a look at the response to Joseph Antley disclosing on Facebook that Joseph Smith used a seer stone to translate most of the Book of Mormon.

I think Elder Jensen knows what he's doing. Inoculation of the saints needs to occur bit by bit over time. by the way, I'd bet he knows his Mormon history as well as any of the GA's.

Regards,
MG


It's not so much the accuracy of what a GA knows as it is the accuracy of what he says. From that perspective, and considering the competition, being the most accurate General Authority regarding Church history is somewhat like being the best hockey player in Uganda.
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