Friends and Foes alike,
Many of the apologists claim the prophet was only when speaking as a Prophet when something embarrassing or incongruent with the apologist's views is pointed out. Examples might be JSJr explaining where Manti was, and that being clearly outside of the LGT parameters, BY explaining his Adam-God theory, or perhaps JSJr and the King Follett Sermon.
Take a given 'teaching' and two apologists might disagree whether it was prophet-speak or not.
Does the Church provide any standard for knowing when and when not speaking as a prophet? What is said from the pulpit in Salt Lake City cannot all be prophet-speak, as that would then pull in much of the controversial and rejected teachings of BY.
If prophet-speak is limited to just doctrine, and that is limited to the Standard Works and official proclamations of the FP, what is the most recent date of any revelation that has been included in the D&C?
As for what is in official FP proclamations, doesn't that include some pretty embarrassing statements in the past about the literalness of the Genesis creation that apologists reject now?
Is the prohibition against two earrings per ear prophet-speak?
Where does it say in the Standard Works or Official Proclamations that you should attend meetings on Sunday? Is it prophet-speak to do so?
Is an apologist's claiming the prophet wasn't speaking as a prophet when he said X just another apologetic smoke screen?
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Speaking of Rodin's sculpture, BYU official Alan Wilkins observed: "'The Thinker' does not represent the sort of activity that we believe is appropriate for the BYU setting."
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"As for what is in official FP proclamations,"
These are not reliable. They contradict each other too many times. There is NO complete publication of them all available to the members of the Church. How can one know what The First Presidency and Twelve really thing without a published account of their statements? Anyone now can say anything and most members will never question, partly because they cannot find older First Presidency Statements.
Keep'em in the dark and feed them BS is the working method used here.
These are not reliable. They contradict each other too many times. There is NO complete publication of them all available to the members of the Church. How can one know what The First Presidency and Twelve really thing without a published account of their statements? Anyone now can say anything and most members will never question, partly because they cannot find older First Presidency Statements.
Keep'em in the dark and feed them BS is the working method used here.
"This is how INGORNAT these fools are!" - darricktevenson
Bow your head and mutter, what in hell am I doing here?
infaymos wrote: "Peterson is the defacto king ping of the Mormon Apologetic world."
Bow your head and mutter, what in hell am I doing here?
infaymos wrote: "Peterson is the defacto king ping of the Mormon Apologetic world."