LDS Glenn Beck assails Obama's Christianity

[_Eric]

[_Droopy]

From the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Aug 30, 2010:

"People aren't recognizing his version of Christianity," Beck added.

Beck made the remarks in answer to a question about his previous accusation that Obama was a "racist" who has "a deep-seated hatred for white people." He contended that that statement "was not accurate" and that he had "miscast" Obama's religious beliefs as racism.

"You see, it's all about victims and victimhood; oppressors and the oppressed; reparations, not repentance; collectivism, not individual salvation. I don't know what that is, other than it's not Muslim, it's not Christian. It's a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it," Beck said.

Don't know about you, but I suspect irony may be dancing around here somewhere.

So is Beck doing our Church a disservice with these remarks?


http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_697056.html

Obama cannot be considered a "Christian" in any normative sense, at least if the pastors and ministers with whom he has long associated, their beliefs, and the church he attended for 20 years are taken as the standard.

There is nothing remotely Christian about Wright, Cone or Pfliger.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,



I'm not really sure what the 'Merican people are supposed to think when President Obama himself attended a hatespeech church for 20 years. You add Vanilla Pfleger's penchant for the absurd I can't blame people for thinking the O is a Communist Peace Fascist.

V/R
Doc

[_Droopy]

The two middle symbols are the key, because Obama is both a socialist (of the "evolutionary" or "transformational" kind), and a "progressive", which encompasses various forms of leftism to taste, including elements of fascist economics (as we see with the heavy federal control of the banking system and the GM takeover).

He is without question a Marxist in some sense of believing strongly in principles taken from that thinker.

[_Uncle Dale]

...
He is without question a Marxist
...

Leninism requires State ownership of the means of
production, distribution, information, etc.

Fascism is content to have all of that industry
remain in corporate hands, so long as the capitalists
belong to the State's party.

For example, Mitsubishi manufactured the famous
Zero fighters of WWII, while the Soviet aircraft
were produced in State factories.

Based upon your knowledge of those who support
the current U.S. Government, would you say that they
are closer to wanting U.S. Leninism or U.S. Fascism?

UD

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[_Droopy]

Leninism requires State ownership of the means of
production, distribution, information, etc.

Did I say he was a Marxist-Leninist? You will note that I made clear that he is an evolutionary, not revolutionary socialist. Cultural Marxism is probably the better fit, and social transformation and political struggle on the Alinski model.

In any case, given this administration's ravening desire to control and socialize either the risks or production of everything, from healthcare to financial markets to the banking industry to housing mortgage markets to the kind of car you can drive and food you can eat to the utter regulation of every aspect of life through cap and trade to EPA regulations of CO2 as a pollutant, and on and on, upon what basis do you think Obama (and many leading Democrats) do not want to substantially expropriate and socialize the means of production, distribution and information across a broad swath of American life?

State ownership of the means of production? What do you call universal healthcare? Control of speech? What do you call the Fairness Doctrine? What do you call "net neutrality"? Is not the welfare state a government run and managed industry?

Fascism is content to have all of that industry
remain in corporate hands, so long as the capitalists
belong to the State's party.

Fascism is stridently anti-capitalist, which is why it seeks to nationalize industry in all but literal expropriation by dominating industry from without. Fascism, and its close relation, syndicalism (think the GM takeover), control the manner in which resources are allocated and production is carried on, and for what reasons. Facism is a sect, or school of socialism, and approaches governance in similar ways, although with different emaphasis and focus.

For example, Mitsubishi manufactured the famous
Zero fighters of WWII, while the Soviet aircraft
were produced in State factories.

Yes, and those Zero's were manufactured according to the orders of the Japanese militarist state, which determined what would be produced and for what purposes. The fact that Japanese, Italian or German factories were not nationalized in fact hardly changes the fact that no real free market exists in any of these cases.

Based upon your knowledge of those who support
the current U.S. Government, would you say that they
are closer to wanting U.S. Leninism or U.S. Fascism?

I think they are "progressives", a broad swath of cultural leftists who combine elements of Marxian socialism, Rousseauian democratic collectivism, facsist corporatism (the fasces is a "bundle of sticks" remember - a collective), social radicalism ( Kevin Jennings or, in a past administration, Joycelyn Elders) and more traditional revolutionary socialism (Van Jones, Anita Dunn etc.) into an eclectic mix.

I think the Fabian socialists are really one of the bretter models of what we have in the present administration, who's symbol

http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/uploads/FabianWindow-1.jpg

bespeaks the motives and approach of both the Fabian socialists of yesteryear and the American progressive Left from Dewey and Roosevelt to the present.

[_Uncle Dale]

...
State ownership of the means of production? What do you call universal healthcare?
...

Once all of those companies are dissolved and overseen by commissars,
then I suppose it would be indistinguishable from that in North Korea.

I had Government health care when I was in the Navy. A neighbor's kid,
just out of the army, says that a lot of that service is now contracted out
to private industry. Practically all of his health care was from contractors.

Looks like the armed services, at least, are moving away from the total
Government ownership/management I saw there in the 1960s.

UD

[_SoHo]

Where's the heavy control of the banking system? GM takeover? Geez, some of us actually understand what happened, were involved and know the players and their motivations. Any illusion that the bailout and TARP morphed the US into anything much different from what it was when Obama took office is just that.

[_moksha]

Would you like to hear more on this very question from the Mormon heartland?

If so try this and check out the rhetoric: http://www.lds.net/forums/current-events/34301-beck-assails-obamas-christianity.html

[_Droopy]

Beck scares the @#!*% out of me. Is this what the rise of the third reich looked like in the early years?

You really can't even call this stupidity, because its quite beyond that, even in its most insistent form.

This is a ravening ignorance that has to be cultivated with a single minded determination.

Its also rather intelligence insulting, which only means that its a bird that will find its nest in the Trailerpark.