LDS Glenn Beck assails Obama's Christianity

[_Droopy]

Where's the heavy control of the banking system?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00958.html

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Economy/story? ... 587&page=1

(Forget the quip about Graham being a "conservative Republican". This is standard leftist media boilerplate (they also think John McCain and David Brooks are conservatives).

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123215299934192217.html

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/flo ... scary.html

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=867

http://biggovernment.com/jberlau/2010/0 ... bank-bill/

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9996

This is a short but powerful article:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/nice-lit ... ned-to-it/

And of course, all of the hip, cool, smart people are for nationalization:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bake ... confidence

As to the automaker takeovers:

http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2009/05/01/ ... on-gets-hu

The government forces its way into a private corporation, becomes a majority shareholder, gives another large share to a union, and relegates the private shareholders to a small, minority holding (1%). GM then turns around, at the government's behest, breaks its existing private contracts, and wipes them out in order to pay off its bailout debt to the government and the UAW (the only private entity that mattered a hill of beans in the whole destructive process).

Some might be very tempted to term this a kind of syndicalism.

Or you could call it fascism, or progressivism, or socialism, or simply lawless, interventionist, etatist government.

And some other stuff:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38350

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02830.html

GM takeover? Geez, some of us actually understand what happened, were involved and know the players and their motivations. Any illusion that the bailout and TARP morphed the US into anything much different from what it was when Obama took office is just that.

A 750 billion dollar bailout turns into a 31.2 trillion claim on our children's and grandchildren's future, bankrupts the nation, and spreads government like a great corpulent amoeba across the entire economy and makes working for government (or being a union member, either in the tiny dinosaurian private trade unions or in the state protected and vetted government kind) much more profitable than working in the private sector and actually producing things people want to buy:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... ants_N.htm

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jborow ... ce-private

You don't call this a rather large scale change? True, the progressive destruction of free market liberal democracy, representative government and individual liberty has been a nearly century long project, but the sixties era boomers are now in complete control of all branches of government, and a distinct acceleration has set in (as two accelerations of the process had taken hold before, once during the thirties, and again beginning in the mid-sixties).

While the economy collapses and the state destroys hundreds of billions of dollars of private wealth, government - which creates nothing of value and generates no new wealth itself - is in boom times.

We are in an era when those whose economic contribution to society is nil, and who in fact earn their living from the productive activities of others, are in the ascendancy, and those who produce are devalued and, often, resented and despised.

The ruling class, you see, takes care of its dependents and sycophants (such as the unions).

[_Uncle Dale]

...
So is Beck doing our Church a disservice with these remarks?
...

I don't know -- perhaps not.

But my curiosity has been aroused.

What would Beck have to do, in order to advance in the Church?
Be called to the 1st Quorum of Seventy -- spend a few years there
and be called as an apostle -- and then spend 30-40 years there,
before moving up to being a leading apostle?

Is there any way he can shorten that career path? Maybe be called
as a Counselor in the First Presidency, or something?

Or, does the fact that he has never served a mission; does not come
from a seven generation LDS family, etc., preclude his ever gaining
high office in the Church?

UD

[_Jersey Girl]

...
State ownership of the means of production? What do you call universal healthcare?
...

Once all of those companies are dissolved and overseen by commissars,
then I suppose it would be indistinguishable from that in North Korea.

I had Government health care when I was in the Navy. A neighbor's kid,
just out of the army, says that a lot of that service is now contracted out
to private industry. Practically all of his health care was from contractors.

Looks like the armed services, at least, are moving away from the total
Government ownership/management I saw there in the 1960s.

UD

With regards to military health care, what the Army kid says is exactly so. Our healthcare is regularly referred out to the civilian community these days. This was unheard of even 5 years ago. I, infact, have an appointment tomorrow with a civilian surgeon.

[_Jersey Girl]

I can hear Beck speaking in the background as I type. Not my choice. I did see parts of the rally.

From Moksha's Pittsburgh link:

It's a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it," Beck said.

So what happens to Beck's public reputation when someone starts hopping up and down about Mormonism being a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ?

[_Uncle Dale]

With regards to military health care, what the Army kid says is exactly so. Our healthcare is regularly referred out to the civilian community these days. This was unheard of even 5 years ago. I, infact, have an appointment tomorrow with a civilian surgeon.

If Droopy wants to avoid Communist medicine, perhaps he should
join the Army and bask in that free market warmth.

Better yet, perhaps he could join Blackwater and avoid even having
to take orders from a Government official.

Are there any real, private company mercenaries serving side-by-side
with the government troops yet?

UD

[_Uncle Dale]

...
So what happens to Beck's public reputation when someone starts hopping up and down about Mormonism being a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ?

Perhaps his current task is to get the "Focus on the Family" types
comfortable with himself as a religious leader, without ever having
to mention his Mormonism in public.

He can reserve his "they ain't got the fulness of the gospel" banter
for Sunday High Priests' meetings -- away from the gaze of Evangelicals
who enjoy picnicking on the National Mall on hot August days.

UD

[_Jersey Girl]

With regards to military health care, what the Army kid says is exactly so. Our healthcare is regularly referred out to the civilian community these days. This was unheard of even 5 years ago. I, infact, have an appointment tomorrow with a civilian surgeon.

If Droopy wants to avoid Communist medicine, perhaps he should
join the Army and bask in that free market warmth.

Better yet, perhaps he could join Blackwater and avoid even having
to take orders from a Government official.

Are there any real, private company mercenaries serving side-by-side
with the government troops yet?

UD

Not sure about mercenaries. You know how you used to drive up to the front gate and receive a salute as you went in? Now there are rent-a-cops. Transportation was contracted out years ago. I don't know what all else went contract.

[_SoHo]

Where's the heavy control of the banking system?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00958.html

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Economy/story? ... 587&page=1

(Forget the quip about Graham being a "conservative Republican". This is standard leftist media boilerplate (they also think John McCain and David Brooks are conservatives).

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123215299934192217.html

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/flo ... scary.html

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=867

http://biggovernment.com/jberlau/2010/0 ... bank-bill/

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9996

This is a short but powerful article:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/nice-lit ... ned-to-it/

And of course, all of the hip, cool, smart people are for nationalization:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bake ... confidence

As to the automaker takeovers:

http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2009/05/01/ ... on-gets-hu

The government forces its way into a private corporation, becomes a majority shareholder, gives another large share to a union, and relegates the private shareholders to a small, minority holding (1%). GM then turns around, at the government's behest, breaks its existing private contracts, and wipes them out in order to pay off its bailout debt to the government and the UAW (the only private entity that mattered a hill of beans in the whole destructive process).

Some might be very tempted to term this a kind of syndicalism.

Or you could call it fascism, or progressivism, or socialism, or simply lawless, interventionist, etatist government.

And some other stuff:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38350

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02830.html

GM takeover? Geez, some of us actually understand what happened, were involved and know the players and their motivations. Any illusion that the bailout and TARP morphed the US into anything much different from what it was when Obama took office is just that.

A 750 billion dollar bailout turns into a 31.2 trillion claim on our children's and grandchildren's future, bankrupts the nation, and spreads government like a great corpulent amoeba across the entire economy and makes working for government (or being a union member, either in the tiny dinosaurian private trade unions or in the state protected and vetted government kind) much more profitable than working in the private sector and actually producing things people want to buy:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... ants_N.htm

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jborow ... ce-private

You don't call this a rather large scale change? True, the progressive destruction of free market liberal democracy, representative government and individual liberty has been a nearly century long project, but the sixties era boomers are now in complete control of all branches of government, and a distinct acceleration has set in (as two accelerations of the process had taken hold before, once during the thirties, and again beginning in the mid-sixties).

While the economy collapses and the state destroys hundreds of billions of dollars of private wealth, government - which creates nothing of value and generates no new wealth itself - is in boom times.

We are in an era when those whose economic contribution to society is nil, and who in fact earn their living from the productive activities of others, are in the ascendancy, and those who produce are devalued and, often, resented and despised.

The ruling class, you see, takes care of its dependents and sycophants (such as the unions).

Wow - you have to have seen it on the brink and weighed the alternatives at the time to understand the decisions made. I don't have time to counter bias, but your view is extreme, very extreme. Perhaps you should look into actual changes in resulting governance of these private entities that the government took over, current ROI, the impact on unions (which remain decidedly less powerful than in the past), the impact of chapter 11 generally on "private wealth" with or without governmental intervention, the impact of relaxed regulation on derivatives, cmbs and syndicated lending, the positive benefits of minimum capital requirements, etc., etc.

[_bcspace]

LDS Glenn Beck assails Obama's Christianity

Obama does not have any Christianity to assail. No Marxist or closet Muslim does.

[_Eric]

Obama does not have any Christianity to assail. No Marxist or closet Muslim does.

Do you know anything about Marxism? Obama is so obviously not a Marxist it's ridiculous.