Mormons and Porn, is it really a Big problem?

[_Equality]

And yes, porn does allow men the opportunity to view sex as their wives may not view it. And that is the pull of porn and why it has become extreme.

It would seem the answer to this particular conundrum would be for husband and wife to shop for their porn together, and watch it together, and decide together what they like and don't like, all without the specter of Spencer W. Kimball's mad ravings hanging over their sexual relationship.

As for the teenager, I agree that porn should be viewed by those with sufficient maturity. The problem you identify is one of timing, not substance.

[_Equality]

Once porn is in the blood it is impossible to get rid of.

What does this even mean? Substitute any other experience for the word "porn" and it is equally true. Once football is in the blood it is impossible to get rid of. Silliness.

[_Equality]

And it is perfectly normal to feel so since most women could not keep up with porn actresses and what they do on the screen with the cuts and edits.

Dude, are you serious? Have you ever seen the guys in porno? And it's the women who feel they don't "measure" up? Seriously?

[_Mephitus]

And yes, porn does allow men the opportunity to view sex as their wives may not view it. And that is the pull of porn and why it has become extreme.

It would seem the answer to this particular conundrum would be for husband and wife to shop for their porn together, and watch it together, and decide together what they like and don't like, all without the specter of Spencer W. Kimball's mad ravings hanging over their sexual relationship.

As for the teenager, I agree that porn should be viewed by those with sufficient maturity. The problem you identify is one of timing, not substance.

I second that watching porn together can be very fun and rewarding! In fact we are both very open to eachother about what turns us on and both have an understanding that while you "can admire a pony from afar" the one you ride is already waiting in the stables.

[_badseed]

Haven't read the entire thread so please excuse any restating of what has already been covered. I don't think that porn is probably much if any worse in the Church than out. Except for the fact that non-LDS guys might be having sex with actual women as opposed to watching porn I don't see how inside the Church it could be worse. With all that is taught at least a portion of LDS guys try to avoid porn. Whether they are successful or not long-term is another question.

I guess there is the question of whether or not in a more sexually restrictive culture people commonly turn to porn more than outside. I have heard such claims but have nothing to refer to to support it.

Regardless I think that porn is a big problem in the LDS church because of how it is perceived. There is zero tolerance for it. Zero. People throw around the term addiction all the time. If some views porn once or every now and then they are often seen as an addict as much as the person who views 24/7. Porn is seen as destructive regardless of how one consumes it. So porn will always be a big problem in the Church— at least until it is eradicated. And that's not likely to happen.


My .02.

[_Droopy]

And yes, porn does allow men the opportunity to view sex as their wives may not view it. And that is the pull of porn and why it has become extreme.

I would say that the extremity of porn and the culture of pornography (its various "niches" involving fetishistic preoccupations and degradation, perversion, coercion and violence) is much more related to both its production of tolerance, which, as with other addictive relationships, requires ever greater dosage to achieve the desired catharsis, as well as that pornography, by its very nature, is exploitative; it objectifies and instrumentalizes human beings and turns them into sexual toys. The greater the insatiability (and addiction to pornography involves, precisely, desires that can never be satiated no matter how much is consumed), the more extreme and novel the sexuality.

It would seem the answer to this particular conundrum would be for husband and wife to shop for their porn together, and watch it together, and decide together what they like and don't like,

Pornography, whatever else is is, is, when all is said and done, a profoundly masturbatory experience, and hence, a husband/wife couple who have resorted to pornography have, by definition, distanced themselves from each other sexually (and probably in other ways as well).

Men, in particular, who are given to the use of pornography, are men who have difficulty forming mature, committed relationships with woman, and who are filling this vacancy in themselves through masturbatory experience.

all without the specter of Spencer W. Kimball's mad ravings hanging over their sexual relationship.

Useless ranting, but to be expected around here.

As for the teenager, I agree that porn should be viewed by those with sufficient maturity. The problem you identify is one of timing, not substance.

Pornography is uniquely evil because our sexuality is a uniquely powerful and defining characteristic. To exploit and debase it is, then, a sin of unique magnitude.

[_emilysmith]

I have found porn on my dad's computer, every computer any of my brother's used, as well as on my boyfriend's computer.

None of them are bad people, and I don't think any of them are having problems in the bedroom.

Seriously, how many men have NOT sought after porn on the internet? I can't think of a single girl with her own computer who hasn't browsed a little bit, either. I've heard from a number of people who fix computers that pretty much all of them have porn stashed somewhere.

The only problem with the ease of access to porn, that I can tell, is the spread of STD's, but people are essentially animals, and young people are curious. I doubt any of them are having more sex because of porn, because I think that the amount of sex a teenager has is directly related to the amount of time they are allowed to have alone with a partner. I do imagine that they are more experimental, but that only goes so far. Sure, you may try something you see on the internet, but I don't think my exposure to porn has altered my tastes or behavior in any fundamental way. I think the best thing the industry could do, though, is normalize the use of condoms.

Also, nothing you see on the internet is new. Everything has been tried and tested for thousands of years. I don't mean things like ass to mouth, or double penetration, either. I recently saw an exhibit of Chinese art that was 500 years old depicting double penetration. Apparently, the woman lost a hand of cards... or whatever it is they called the ivory token game. To my generation, this is all vanilla to view (attempting such things ourselves I think is another story, completely). I think a girl attempting double penetration for fun must be out of her mind, but girls do all kinds of things to make their men happy, so who knows.

I digress, though. I attempted to find "Mad Max porn," whyme, but the only thing I could turn up was "Max Hardcore," which, though seemingly abusive, is still relatively mild compared to some of the stuff that's out there. The really bad stuff was what I'm talking about. The stuff you see on 4chan and Motherless (don't go to either place to satisfy your curiosity, because you may end up with illegal material on your machine). Just because it is being broadcast to the world doesn't mean anyone is doing anything original. People have been using animals, playing with scat, dabbling in golden showers and diddling children for a long, long time. They didn't have to catch it on xnxx.com, either. It was conceived of before you could even take pictures of it. 2 girls 1 cup, it turns out, isn't all that original.

The bottom line is this... masturbation is healthy. Watching porn helps people masturbate. Even if you see something that people find morally reprehensible and try it yourself... where is the harm (within legal bounds, of course)? I mean, other than the moral outrage of people who aren't having any fun in the sack.

Stigmatizing porn and undermining the self esteem and sex lives of millions of people is far more harmful than anything the porn, itself, is doing to the LDS community.

[_Simon Belmont]

Holy crap. I never heard that one before. Think you could find the original source/quote? That makes me feel sick just like the whole "licked cupcake" debacle.

You know what makes me feel sick? That someone would be aroused by people dressed as animals. I mean, how utterly disgusting can you get? Furries are quite literally freaks of nature.

[_Mephitus]

You know what makes me feel sick? That someone would be aroused by people dressed as animals. I mean, how utterly disgusting can you get? Furries are quite literally freaks of nature.

heh, methinks you confuse furry with people who have sex in fursuits. Ill admit openly that there are Furrys that are into that, but they constitute maybe at most 2-3% of members. Not really my thing. I would post what i like, but i was once yelled at for even putting it in the "outer darkness" thread as the board owner doesn't want outright porn on his forums. But you can find some really good stuff on http://e621.net

[_Jonah]

Pornography, whatever else is is, is, when all is said and done, a profoundly masturbatory experience, and hence, a husband/wife couple who have resorted to pornography have, by definition, distanced themselves from each other sexually (and probably in other ways as well).

Men, in particular, who are given to the use of pornography, are men who have difficulty forming mature, committed relationships with woman, and who are filling this vacancy in themselves through masturbatory experience.

Are you speaking from experience here or just repeating the ramblings of some Packer-like idiot from over the pulpit? What you are describing comes NOWHERE CLOSE to what I have experienced in my life. Not by a mile!!