Joseph Smiths arrest record?

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Joseph Smiths arrest record?

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Is there a publication or study I can read that details the dates, reasons and charges made against Joseph Smith that led to his arrest or issuing an arrest warrant?

I know he was arrested and held a number of times. I would like to see a nice summary of these if it is possible.

Any extradition attempts would be good as well.

He was in jail a number of times and asking in Church gets a stock answer: persecution.

I would like to have some reality so I can discuss it from the facts. Even if it were 'persecution' the arrests and incarceration need some legal basis for the record.
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Joseph, I am curious as to why you seem so adamantly against Mormonism. Are there recent circumstances that have produced this reaction?
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What is there in my asking about Joseph Smiths arrest record that is "anti-Mormon"?

I find it curious and odd that this is not freely available anywhere just as I find it odd there is no comprehensive collection/publication of First Presidency Statements.

Asking questions is an indication of 'anti-mormon' sentiment?

I do believe making fun of stupidity and pointing it out can easily be construed as such, but searching for truth?
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Questions are good and an unexamined faith is not worth believing. However, the nature of how you phrased this question and the balance of your other posts would indicate you strongly have something against Mormonism. Of course embarrassing information is not readily available on the websites of those who would be embarrassed. The answers are to be found elsewhere. That this was simply a fact seeking inquiry without prior intent is disingenuous.
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So instead of carping about the question, do you guys have an answer?

Joseph Smith was arrested many times. What charges? What dispensation of the case(s) against him?

He escaped from jail and was a fugitive from justice the rest of his life.

And this guy is used as an example of honesty and honor? Not even his own wife trusted him and with good reason, having young housemaids he groomed for later 'marriages' behind her back.

Don't any of you wonder about all the arrests? You hear of it in Church and the excuse is 'persecution'. Yeah, right. They still needed an excuse to arrest the guy for something, what were the reasons given?
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Joseph wrote:So instead of carping about the question, do you guys have an answer?


The question is do we wish to answer.

Joseph Smith was arrested many times. What charges? What dispensation of the case(s) against him?


Charges range from casting out a demon to treason.

He escaped from jail and was a fugitive from justice the rest of his life.


No, he was allowed to escape while being transferred between jails, hardly the same thing.

Let's look at the circumstances. Joseph surrendered to his enemies who then held a secret court-martial which he was not allowed to attend or even told about and he was sentenced to be shot the next day. When one honorable officer refused to allow this to happen, he was taken to jail instead. Then there was a trial where due process was denied and no witnesses for the defense were allowed. They then had a chance to escape this embarrassment to the judicial system of any free country and took it. I would have done the same thing in his condition. If the judicial system is run by barbarians why should I submit to their authority?

And this guy is used as an example of honesty and honor?


I love how you throw trouble with the law out as something proving you are devoid of honesty and honor. Others such as Jesus and Paul and Jeremiah fit your description. So do Galileo, Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, and many others. Were they all devoid of honesty and honor?

Only your monomania about Joseph leads you to this conclusion.

Not even his own wife trusted him and with good reason, having young housemaids he groomed for later 'marriages' behind her back.


Sure he did.

Don't any of you wonder about all the arrests?


No, because I looked through many of them.

You hear of it in Church and the excuse is 'persecution'.


Yes.

Yeah, right. They still needed an excuse to arrest the guy for something, what were the reasons given?


Glass looking, casting out demons, the blanket charges from Missouri (treason, burglary, murder, arson, larceny, theft, stealing), being a 'disorderly person' or being a vagrant (sources disagree), setting the country in an uproar by preaching the Book of Mormon, an illegal arrest without charges across state lines, had himself arrested to meet charges against him (no idea if they are ever enumerated), accessory to murder of Governor Boggs (no evidence), and of course Governor Ford's arrest he submitted to that led to his murder.

Those are the ones I know of anyways. Find a fair trial in there somewhere and I'll reconsider my views on Joseph's escape.
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moksha wrote:Joseph, I am curious as to why you seem so adamantly against Mormonism. . . the nature of how you phrased this question and the balance of your other posts would indicate you strongly have something against Mormonism.

Is it a crime to be adamantly against Mormonism? Is there anything wrong with strongly having something against Mormonism?
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so nehi, you are so familiar with Josephs arrests. Where do we find copies of the records so we can actually see the truth of what went on? LDS sources are not reliable and the old 'persecution' does not tell what happened.

You and too many others fall on the 'you hate Mormons' if someone asks a question you cannot answer. Next thing we know you will be telling us that Egyptologists use Josephs Egyptian grammar and alphabet to reconstruct dime novels from the pyramyds.
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Joseph wrote:so nehi, you are so familiar with Josephs arrests. Where do we find copies of the records so we can actually see the truth of what went on? LDS sources are not reliable and the old 'persecution' does not tell what happened.


Well then, you'll have a time of it. Very few non-LDS sources catalog this kind of thing. I suggest you start hunting in old courthouses in New York, Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois. Let us know what you find.

You and too many others fall on the 'you hate Mormons' if someone asks a question you cannot answer.


The questions themselves demonstrate hate so that fall-back works. Also, the ignorance behind the questions suggests that the person has no real interest in the topic beyond false rhetorical victories.

Next thing we know you will be telling us that Egyptologists use Josephs Egyptian grammar and alphabet to reconstruct dime novels from the pyramyds.


See, this kind of inane ignorance suggests hate. It is irrelevant, ignorant, and there to score rhetorical points. In addition, the statement is so inane as to be unanswerable. Thank you for proving my point.
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Dr. Shades wrote:Is it a crime to be adamantly against Mormonism? Is there anything wrong with strongly having something against Mormonism?


Utah Penal Code 2 section:16 subparagraph 1.
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