Joseph Smiths arrest record?

[_Simon Belmont]

I see.

Other people tell Mormons that their cherished beliefs are false = Bigotry

Mormons telling other people that their cherished beliefs are false = Proclaiming the gospel

No.

Other people posting hate-sites, publishing hate-material, and violently protesting at Conference = bigotry.

Mormons inviting other faiths to hear about the message of Mormonism = okay.

Other faiths inviting Mormons to hear about their message (without the hate) = okay.

[_Markk]

Other people posting hate-sites, publishing hate-material, and violently protesting at Conference = bigotry.

Mormons inviting other faiths to hear about the message of Mormonism = okay.

Other faiths inviting Mormons to hear about their message (without the hate) = okay.

The LDS teaching that black skin is the sign of a curse from God, and LDS members like yourself not coming to grips with this and completely unable to discuss it...= bigotry or okay you tell me Simon...?

[_Simon Belmont]

The LDS teaching that black skin is the sign of a curse from God, and LDS members like yourself not coming to grips with this and completely unable to discuss it...= bigotry or okay you tell me Simon...?

For the last time, we don't teach that. I've had African American bishops, stake presidents, ward mission leaders, friends, etc.

We don't teach that.

[_Markk]

The LDS teaching that black skin is the sign of a curse from God, and LDS members like yourself not coming to grips with this and completely unable to discuss it...= bigotry or okay you tell me Simon...?

For the last time, we don't teach that. I've had African American bishops, stake presidents, ward mission leaders, friends, etc.

We don't teach that.

Alma 3: 6
6 And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a acurse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.


Is this true teaching of the church? Just because you have had African American members does not negat these teachings, and I doubt very much that your experience with Blacks is as you write, unless you were over seas.

"LoL" ..."for the last time", when did you say it for the first time, I must have missed it? But if the church does not teach this, then why did they teach this. Did the officially retract this teaching...cfr please.

[_Simon Belmont]

Markk,

Please become informed on the issues before declaring the Church racist.

If you really want to know, I suggest this article.

[_Markk]

Markk,

Please become informed on the issues before declaring the Church racist.

If you really want to know, I suggest this article.

Simon,

An article on FAIR does not nega 150 years of bigotry in denying the african race what the LDS church teaches is authority.

Lets discuss it Simon...we can discuss the FAIR article if you like point by point if you like. Bottom line is that the Book of Mormon teaches that God cursed some folks and gave them Dark skin. This has been testified by the LDS leaders. Almost every person here that was raised in the church understands this teaching.

I thought you were beyond drive by "apologetics" by just cut and pasting something...whats the matter you can't logically defend your faith without the help of some spin?

Weak Simon, I hope to discuss this with you in more detail if you are able to cope with LDS theology?

MG

[_Simon Belmont]

Simon,

An article on FAIR does not nega 150 years of bigotry in denying the african race what the LDS church teaches is authority.

Lets discuss it Simon...we can discuss the FAIR article if you like point by point if you like. Bottom line is that the Book of Mormon teaches that God cursed some folks and gave them Dark skin. This has been testified by the LDS leaders. Almost every person here that was raised in the church understands this teaching.

I thought you were beyond drive by "apologetics" by just cut and pasting something...whats the matter you can't logically defend your faith without the help of some spin?

Weak Simon, I hope to discuss this with you in more detail if you are able to cope with LDS theology?

MG

As I suspected, you simply discounted it without reading it.

The Church is not racist.

Some leaders have said some unfortunate things in the past. That does not make the Church racist.

[_Markk]

As I suspected, you simply discounted it without reading it.

The Church is not racist.

Some leaders have said some unfortunate things in the past. That does not make the Church racist.

Simon,

I have read it, I have read allot of things on fair, I simply disagree with it and believe it is nothing but spin from a NON AUTHORIZED source. I have been studying this stuff for twenty years. Prove me wrong, lets discuss the issue. Has the Church formally retracted it's racial past and it's segregation of African Americans from holding Priesthood authority?

Why did the LDS church forbid African Americans from holding the priesthood?
MG

[_Simon Belmont]

Simon,

I have read it, I have read allot of things on fair, I simply disagree with it and believe it is nothing but spin from a NON AUTHORIZED source. I have been studying this stuff for twenty years. Prove me wrong, lets discuss the issue. Has the Church formally retracted it's racial past and it's segregation of African Americans from holding Priesthood authority?

By allowing African Americans and every other nationality to hold the priesthood and participate in everything the Church has to offer, that is a physical form of formal retraction.

Why did the LDS church forbid African Americans from holding the priesthood?
MG

No one knows. My personal belief was that it was a product of the time and should have been done away with a lot sooner than it had.

A similar question could be asked about almost any religion, including the Unitarian Church.

[_beefcalf]

Simon,

I read the FAIR article...

"...Nephi "beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations."

References to filthiness are not an allusion to skin color, but clearly refer to a spiritual state of being "filthy before God" rather than a physical characteristic. Similarly, both the Bible and the Doctrine and Covenants use the term "filthy" in reference to sinners.

What is Tvedtnes doing here? He actually quotes the troublesome reference to 'dark' skin, along with a reference to 'filthy', then completely ignores the fact that 'dark' was used, and then proceeds to offer his defense of the word 'filthy'. This appears to me to be a classic example of 'straw man': Create a bogus issue and make a spectacle of proving it baseless.

Simon, the teaching and belief that ungodly people are marked with a skin of darkness is part of the web and woof of LDS culture and doctrine, despite Tvedtnes' disingenuous attempts claim otherwise.