A Message For William Schryver.

[_RockSlider]

Nobody's perfect, Ray.

Simon, how well do you know this man you defend? Now I don't know this man, other than by the way he has treated individuals on mad and here. I also don't know Ray, Trevor, Liz, KA, or LifeOnAPlate (for only a few examples) other than by the same exposure/experience. And what I say here is by my own experience.

I would suggest that those in the last list are very good people, who treat people with respect, who tend to be Christ like in their interactions with others. Each of these has been victimized by the man you support. Read William's comments on the other thread about a single mother who appears to be of the gentlest and a kind persuasion, or Liz an active Mormon who is judged, condemned and degraded, or Trevor - are you even familiar with this episode? Of course Ray has no need of a God, he has William who has judged him, and pronounced a curse upon him, as the rightful worthy proxy for God in the matter. Or even a fellow in great standing at mad, Loap, whom he also repeatedly judges and condemns as an enemy to God and the Church.

Defend and condemn whom you may, but if you really have any desire to do God's will listen to the spirit, not the party line. By their fruits shall you know them.

[_Ray A]

So let me throw another angle on William's favourite quote to "lying slimeball apostates", with special emphasis on what William himself needs to work on:

23 Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face.
24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.
25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;
26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.- D&C 112

We are talking here about the Jesus prepared to leave the "ninety and nine", to go in search of the one "lost soul", and here we have Schryver and other apologists mocking and deriding the very people Jesus sought to reach out to, leaving them with little or no hope, and only because they offended their massive egos.

[_The Nehor]

No one but Jesus ever has. Not sure why you think Will will.

Don't you have some "war games" to play? Blood and guts kind of thing?

I want to but the munitions I ordered from Sovietgaragesale.com are still going through customs.

Does my post, and the scriptural references therein, prick your hardened heart?

I don't have a hardened heart so your question is meaningless.

[_Ray A]

I want to but the munitions I ordered from Sovietgaragesale.com are still going through customs.

When they do arrive, do humanity a favour and point them in the most productive direction - your head.

I hate to see another pseudo-apologist drown in his flatulence, but I predict that you will sooner or later achieve the stardom you crave - that of being a corn chip on a turd speeding down the toilet bowl faster than a bob sled team on its way to a world record.

I guess it's all relative.

Trying to taunt me, like Bot, aren't you? Trying to get a reaction, aren't you? There's still hope. Brain transplants are not far off. Maybe you could trade your Mormon brain at a secondhand dealer pawn shop, and get a $20 cell phone (if the dealer is naïve). Or maybe the latest version of "snakes and ladders".

[_sock puppet]

Hey Ray,

You don't believe any of the scriptures you just cited.

You remember that, right?

Apparently from his behavior, neither does Schryver.

[_quaker]

Isn't this mindset similar to how terrorists and mobs thrive?

They expect their opponents to work under moral restrictments while they play under an advantageous set of rules.

[_Simon Belmont]

Even "imperfect" people do not resort to the sort of judgements, condemnations, and mockery that some apologists do. They create more and more animosity, that's all. It is better to leave things undefended, than to offer poor and contentious defences.

You quoting scripture is like me quoting from the Necronomicon.

You do understand that the typed of anti-Mormons who consider themselves "true" Christians (UTLM, Ed Decker, James White, etc), are more guilty of what you propose than apologists are.

[_Kishkumen]

Apparently from his behavior, neither does Schryver.

Bingo.

[_Simon Belmont]

Simon, how well do you know this man you defend?

We're all different online. I am a nice, normal family man in real life.

I also don't know Ray, Trevor, Liz, KA, or LifeOnAPlate (for only a few examples) other than by the same exposure/experience. And what I say here is by my own experience.

I would suggest that those in the last list are very good people, who treat people with respect, who tend to be Christ like in their interactions with others.

Trevor used to be, until he went off the deep end. Ray is sort of kind, but also very resentful. Liz has a lot of patience and I don't know how she does it. I tried to make friends with KA, and found her "ShadyNasty" blog post one of the funniest things ever, but she decided not to like me. I have never talked with LoAP.

Anyway... what is your point?

Each of these has been victimized by the man you support. Read William's comments on the other thread about a single mother who appears to be of the gentlest and a kind persuasion, or Liz an active Mormon who is judged, condemned and degraded, or Trevor - are you even familiar with this episode? Of course Ray has no need of a God, he has William who has judged him, and pronounced a curse upon him, as the rightful worthy proxy for God in the matter. Or even a fellow in great standing at mad, Loap, whom he also repeatedly judges and condemns as an enemy to God and the Church.

I was not involved in this episode, but I do know that Will is one of the nicest guys in real life. Have you read the things these people say about him on here? Angry McAngerton will just not let Will do his thing without being chastised and berated at every turn.

Defend and condemn whom you may, but if you really have any desire to do God's will listen to the spirit, not the party line. By their fruits shall you know them.

Here is the problem -- you cannot ask me to do God's will, or even cite "by their fruits ye shall know them" because you don't believe any of it.

[_Kishkumen]

You quoting scripture is like me quoting from the Necronomicon.

You do understand that the typed of anti-Mormons who consider themselves "true" Christians (UTLM, Ed Decker, James White, etc), are more guilty of what you propose than apologists are.

You are making it very difficult to resist calling you "Simple Simon" from now on. Fortunately, I have a soft spot for the guy who came to the board throwing Latin around.

In point of fact, your post is a load of tripe. Ray A is a fine fellow, the sort who any person should count himself fortunate to count among his friends. He understands the scriptures well, and has internalized their teachings concerning Christian behavior better than a good number of the apologists and anti-Mormon critics.

Why do you think Ray wrote that OP, Simon? Because he took his spirituality seriously, I would wager, and applied these principles (nominal form) with a measure of self-reflection that numerous apologists and anti-Mormons never did (and do you think he doesn't know, perhaps much better than you do, what you are saying regarding anti-Mormons?). Is he angry? Yes. But, on the whole he is one of the finest people I know.

Ray A is a sincere seeker. It does not reflect well on you that you throw around shallow, obnoxious statements about him.