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Re: Elections

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It's no longer a matter of individuals, it's a matter of party as a great division of the people has occured and currently the good ones are voting Republican and the antiAmerican antiGospel ones are voting Democrat. The individual is now swallowed up by party and is beholden to it and implicitly supports it by caucusing with it.

You say it better than I ever could BC - "No Compromise" is a losing scenario for democracy. Stalin would be so proud of this statement you make. Don't kid yourself that the color of your uniform matters.


That's just it. You seem to think that I am Republican no matter what. I vote Republican because they carry my values. My values come from the LDS Church. The Democrats don't share a single one of those values so why should I vote for them? I might actually prefer a Libertarian or Constitution party candidate. But I know that the Democrats are a clear and present danger so I vote against them. They've been such a danger for the last 30-40 years at least.
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I generally vote Republican, though I'm more moderate now than I used to be. Don't know how those close Illinois Senate and Governor races will turn out, but I'm glad I voted. Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony fought hard for me to have this right, and darned if I'm not going to use it.
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bcspace wrote:
It's no longer a matter of individuals, it's a matter of party as a great division of the people has occured and currently the good ones are voting Republican and the antiAmerican antiGospel ones are voting Democrat. The individual is now swallowed up by party and is beholden to it and implicitly supports it by caucusing with it.

BC, I don't think you are Republican no matter what per se. I do think your quote above is one of the most ironic examples of having looked into the abyss too long I have ever read. That you wrote it spontaneously makes it all the more poignant.
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If you voted for Obama then and would consider voting for a Republican now, yes I am. You're actually part of the problem since, for example (one of many), the Obama agenda has raised the national debt from 20% of GDP to 25% currently and has put us on track for the debt to reach 90% of GDP.


You're such a retard. This is Bush's deal and it always has been, so turn off FOX news for a second and educate yourself. The huge deficit was there long before Obama took office and he's done everything his economic advisers has advised him to do, but the damage caused by Bush was too extensive. Unemployment was skyrocketing straight up and passed 8% before Obama had even settled in. It was on a 20+month increase with no sign of it leveling off. But that was Obama's fault right? The scare tactics of "socialism," funded by the fear-mongers on the Right, have resonated with ignorant Americans everywhere it seems. It is the same tactic used by idiots like Era Taft Benson who opposed the Civil Rights movement, calling in an unconstitutional encroachment of government.

And because we're a country of racists and idiots who demand instantaneous change only when the President is Democrat, black, or both, you refuse to understand the problem on its own terms and choose to use the darky as the scape goat and regurgitate the idiotic talking points, like the script Paul Rand just ripped off from some Right Wing think tank. And yes, I've seen the signs at the tea parties, up close and personal. Never seen so many pissed off white racists in all my life. The Tea Party is at least 97% white. And that is a fair representation of "we the people"?? The Tea Party was formed and funded by a few Right Wing billionaires just weeks after Obama took office. Coincidence? It took off before Obama had the chance to do anything wrong, but they already knew what they were going to blame him for long before he stepped foot in office. The beauty of the deception is that it worked. They actually have millions of ignorant Americans thinking Obama is to blame for our current plight. That his failed attempt to offer government health insurance was the reason Banks decided to keep the bail out money and not give it back to the taxpayers in the form of loans. If Obama tried to force the banks to do what they said they'd do, the Right was trying to use this as an example of a socialistic dictator trying to use government to coerce private enterprise. What a bunch of idiots.

But what I love is how every Right winger and their dog claims to be "Constitutional Conservatives" now, even when half of them couldn't tell me what the first amendment says, including that dim-wit Christine O'Donnell. The irony is that most of these folks claim to know the constitution and the Bible. There is nothing Christian about the Right anymore, and people like bcspace illustrate why. His religion is not Mormonism anymore, it is loyalty to the Right Wing propaganda machine. You used to hear of people claiming a fellow brother or sister wasn't 100% republican or democrat, but nowadays it has flipped with the bigots. Nowadays you hear them talking about how a fellow brother or sister isn't a good Christian or Mormon, or whatever, simply because they do not vote the same way. Unbelievable.

The fact is the Right has absolutely no answers to the problem. Their platform runs on attacking Obama, usually inventing statistics and figures that don't add up. But their audience is ignorant, so they are successful. But they have no answers when forced to answer. Their politicians have been asked recently what they would "cut" from the spending, but they fumble their words and change the subject because they don't know. They never thought that far ahead while they were ranting against socialism and propping themselves up as "more American" than anyone who votes Democrat. They say they'd cut spending, but what spending? Defense, which comprises more than 80% of all government spending? Hell no. Never. Which proves they are not really interested in cutting spending or reducing earmarks. We gotta keep buying F-22's and meaningless cutting edge weaponry so they can go home and jerk off to the US flag, and be rest assured that is ever we are attacked, that we can blow them up. As if this hasn't been a certainty for decades with or without new defense spending.

These people are so stupid they have no idea they are doing precisely what Right Wing billionaires (who want to continue the tradition of buying policy) expected them to do once the ignorant were fed propaganda about pride, patriotism, nationalism, the constitution, and managed to convince them that all the "founding fathers" were actually Reagan conservatives, but didn't realize it.

bcspace is the same Beck drone who thinks the idiotic Lafferty curve still holds water. That as long as we continue to cut taxes for the rich, then that increases jobs because they'll have more money to spend. But we know that was a myth propagated by those who have been buying politicians along with propaganda airtime on Fox News and the IEB network. Corporations are sitting on more funds than ever and they're still denying jobs to Americans. Why? Because a corporation knows nothing of American patriotism. It knows nothing but profit, and profit nowadays is more bountiful by hiring overseas or investing in new technologies that are making the demand for low-skilled laborers obsolete. We're a nation of over educated people who cannot find work and we are in this hole because we blew two trillion over the past decade on two wars based on lies, and the Bush tax cuts that the idiots want to extend - even the idiots who don't make $250k to begin with!
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It's no longer a matter of individuals, it's a matter of party as a great division of the people has occured and currently the good ones are voting Republican and the antiAmerican antiGospel ones are voting Democrat. The individual is now swallowed up by party and is beholden to it and implicitly supports it by caucusing with it.

BC, I don't think you are Republican no matter what per se. I do think your quote above is one of the most ironic examples of having looked into the abyss too long I have ever read. That you wrote it spontaneously makes it all the more poignant.


Your musing on some non-existent "abyss" is a classic illustration of one who's been duped into thinking that, for example, Obama is some sort of centrist so he's okay. That fact that you are considering changing your vote also illustrates this. I already knew what an Obama presidency meant so I didn't make the same mistake you did. History has already taught us what is good and bad. Difference is that some of us learn those lessons for good and others have to keep relearning it. Kevin Graham may never have learned it.
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The election was driven by the tendency the elderly and whites to be overrepresented in turnout relative to non-presidential elections and the fact that the economy is stagnant with a high unemployment rate. The general outcome of the election was predictable (and predicted) based on economic forecasts almost right after Obama was in office. That meant the incumbent party in power was going to take a beating. The only question was how much. This is a little frightening, when you think about it. The party on the outs can advocate a very wide array of views and they aren't going to be supported or opposed in large part because of them. It has most to do with other reasons.

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Feingold was the best civil libertarian in the Senate. I thought that voice needed to be there, and that was the only thing I cared about. That's done with.

I strongly dislike Harry Reid and can only wonder what kind of dirt he has on people that manages to keep him in leadership role.
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The Dude wrote:I live in the Bible Belt now, same state as KA in fact. The polling station was set up in a huge Baptist church down the street from me. What struck me as ironic was the "proposition" about banning the state courts from using Sharia Law in their rulings.

HELLO!?!?! I am voting in a Baptist church!

I'm sure it will pass because the wise people of this state have good reason to fear the intrusion of religion in their government. It has to be stopped before there's a mosque on every corner.
I think Ed Brayton nails a response to this:
The right wing is furiously pushing the ridiculous idea that the United States is on the verge of having Sharia law imposed on it by the tiny percentage of Muslims in the country. Their evidence: People are still allowed to build mosques, aren't they? How terribly compelling.

We've got U.S. Congressmen helping promote a ridiculous report on "creeping Sharia" written by white supremacists and Christian supremacists who have been clamoring to get this country into a holy war with Islam. We've got state legislatures passing bills to combat something that does not exist.

I certainly do not want to see Sharia law imposed anywhere in the world, much less in this country. The most reactionary versions of Sharia -- which really just means law that looks to the Quran for guidance; the interpretations of the Quran, just like interpretations of the Bible, still vary incredibly widely -- are violently barbaric, and even the more moderate versions are oppressively patriarchal and based on lies and myths.

I am absolutely opposed to the imposition of any religious law under any circumstances. If you cannot justify your proposed laws with purely secular, rational reasons then your law is inevitably going to be stupid and unjust. But here's the real irony...

If you took many of the provisions of even the most reactionary versions of Sharia law, substituted God for Allah and called it the American Family Values Protection Act, not only would most of the same people screaming about Sharia embrace it, they would claim that the failure to pass the bill was evidence of anti-Christian persecution.

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They never thought that far ahead while they were ranting against socialism and propping themselves up as "more American" than anyone who votes Democrat.


They've thought ahead Kevin. Our budget and consequently its deficit is driven by entitlement spending (social security, medicare) and the military budget. Those are sacred cows that any threats of cutting enrage a lot voters. The former because old people and the soon to be old people don't want their benefits touched and the latter because any cuts open one up to charges of weakness and easy fear-mongering. Everything else is nibbling around the edges without changing the structural deficit. End every single earmark tomorrow (which wouldn't be a bad thing) and you would've barely touched the problem. Most republicans refuse to say what they will cut because they don't want to piss off any group of voters and there is no consequence for making empty promises and sounding off platitudes about fiscal responsibility. The goal is to associate your brand with responsible spending, not actually be responsible spenders. I have no doubt that some of the new wave of Republicans are genuine fiscal conservatives, but I suspect a large % are just the same as those that spent like drunken sailors during the Bush administration. And yes, it still is mostly Bush era policies + weak economy that are driving our insane yearly deficit.
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MrStakhanovite wrote:I voted for Michelle Bachman today.

I'd put her as my top candidate for my having to think about whether it was a parody if I read a news report claiming she launched an investigation into whether fluoridation is a communist plot.
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