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beefcalf wrote:Tower of Babel is very obviously mythological.

The Book of Mormon presents the story of the Tower of Babel in a historical context, as if it was a real event.

The Book of Mormon, hence the LDS Religion, conflicts with truth and science.

Just one example out of many...

The Bible presents the Tower of Babel story in a historical context as well. Do Christianity and Judaism both, then, conflict with science?

The Bible presents the Tower of Babel story in a historical context as well. Do Christianity and Judaism both, then, conflict with science?

Answer: YES

here's another:

D&C 77:6 gives the period of time of the earth's existence as seven thousand years.

The true value is around six hundred and forty thousand times longer.

The LDS Religion conflicts with truth and science.

sock puppet wrote:Patience, it is a virtue.

Yes but, a stitch in time prevents the unraveling of the space-time continuum. Besides, if God represents understanding then adding to our understanding is a good thing.

moksha wrote:

sock puppet wrote:Patience, it is a virtue.

Yes but, a stitch in time prevents the unraveling of the space-time continuum. Besides, if God represents understanding then adding to our understanding is a good thing.

Yes, but insisting that the square peg ("the Gospel") fits neatly in the round hole (scientific knowledge) when it doesn't, and continually filing off the square edges to try to make the fit is disingenuous and neutering of "the Gospel".

bcspace and Simon Belmont:

Do you agree that the sun our planet orbits receives its light from another star that is superior to it?

Darth J wrote:bcspace and Simon Belmont:

Do you agree that the sun our planet orbits receives its light from another star that is superior to it?

I don't. But I think the cosmological explanations in Abraham and of the Egyptian vignettes have extraordinary significance and reveal profound spiritual truths when related and understood correctly.

Presbyter wrote:

Darth J wrote:bcspace and Simon Belmont:

Do you agree that the sun our planet orbits receives its light from another star that is superior to it?

I don't. But I think the cosmological explanations in Abraham and of the Egyptian vignettes have extraordinary significance and reveal profound spiritual truths when related and understood correctly.

Presbyter: Please permit me to voice my skepticism. I do not think there are any significant or profound truths to be found in Abrahamic astronomy or in the Facsimiles of the Book of Abraham. I am, however, interested to hear what they contain that you find to be significant and profound.

beefcalf wrote:Presbyter: Please permit me to voice my skepticism. I do not think there are any significant or profound truths to be found in Abrahamic astronomy or in the Facsimiles of the Book of Abraham. I am, however, interested to hear what they contain that you find to be significant and profound.

Abraham 3 explains the metaphor.

sock puppet wrote: ...continually filing off the square edges to try to make the fit is disingenuous and neutering of "the Gospel".

Then it is a good thing we believe the Gospel to have a fluid nature and need not be artificially and irreparably stuck to antiquated superstitions.

Presbyter wrote:Abraham 3 explains the metaphor

I suppose I was hoping for more specificity than a referral to twenty-eight verses of the Book of Abraham...

As to your metaphor reference: I propose the following...

Abrahamic astronomy was considered a literal revelation about astronomical topics in the decades following 1843... Only with the recent understanding of stellar evolution, of nucleosynthesis and of the various fusion reactions that power the stars has the literal interpretation of Abrahamic astronomy been shunted aside to make room for the metaphorical. Very much like the shift of considering the native peoples of America to be the descendants of Lehi to the admission that they are mostly not.

It seems to me that whenever the status quo is altered, it is always God scrambling out of the way of new human discovery, and never the other way 'round. When was the last time an LDS prophet was vindicated?