Inconceivable wrote:The truth of the matter is that the Mormon church is embarrassed of the behavior of joseph smith, brigham young and the others - profoundly embarrassed. The suits don't want members to think abhorant behavior represents the spirit of the present church.
Who is the Mormon Church and who are the suits? The so called suits have much time invested in the lds church and they would not be investing so much time in the lds church if they thought it was a fraud. And when does someone become a suit?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Inconceivable wrote:The truth of the matter is that the Mormon church is embarrassed of the behavior of joseph smith, brigham young and the others - profoundly embarrassed. The suits don't want members to think abhorant behavior represents the spirit of the present church.
Who is the Mormon Church and who are the suits? The so called suits have much time invested in the lds church and they would not be investing so much time in the lds church if they thought it was a fraud. And when does someone become a suit?
Spurven Ten Sing wrote:1. "You took it too seriously" Too hot. 2. "You were lazy and did not take it seriously enough." Too cold.
Apparently, the key is to be as lukewarm as possible. I mean, it's not like God is going to spew you out of his mouth. I think I remember reading that in the Ensign.
+1
Awesome.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
my wife and i discuss this all the time. If we had not been a prudish Peter priesthood & Molly Mormon couple, we may not have fallen so hard.
So, maybe I should go back to the fold.... This is how it would go down: I would wear black shirts to church and grow a go-tee. I would sit in EQ and make wise cracks. We would occasionally drink wine and coffee and not listen intently to church leaders. We wouldn't take the prophet seriously. Rather than bear testimony of the rest. gospel I would share funny stories.
The problem is this is not me. I'd be in some strange nebulous zone. I'd probably be unhappy there. Some people are better off just being true to themselves I guess.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
Fence Sitter wrote:There is a contradiction between the leadership of the church, which encourages faith promoting study, and the apologists, whose dismissive attitudes say you just haven't investigated the issue fully.
Well, I haven't seen a religion yet that encourages its members to read non faith promoting material about their church. Most would advise not to read literature that may be harmful for their soul.
I haven't seen or heard of any methodist or lutheran preachers advising their flock to read anti material. Nor any other protestant pasters giving such advise. But maybe I have missed something somewhere.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
zeezrom wrote:Some people are better off just being true to themselves I guess.
True that.
I also always wanted to follow those that could actually see further ahead than me. Discovering these clowns were stumbling in the dark all around me created a great deal of uncertainty in my peace.
Fence Sitter wrote:There is a contradiction between the leadership of the church, which encourages faith promoting study, and the apologists, whose dismissive attitudes say you just haven't investigated the issue fully.
Well, I haven't seen a religion yet that encourages its members to read non faith promoting material about their church. Most would advise not to read literature that may be harmful for their soul.
I haven't seen or heard of any methodist or lutheran preachers advising their flock to read anti material. Nor any other protestant pasters giving such advise. But maybe I have missed something somewhere.
(my emphasis added) I think it is all right there in front of you, Why Me. If only you could put the pieces together.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
why me wrote:Well, I haven't seen a religion yet that encourages its members to read non faith promoting material about their church. Most would advise not to read literature that may be harmful for their soul.
I haven't seen or heard of any methodist or lutheran preachers advising their flock to read anti material. Nor any other protestant pasters giving such advise. But maybe I have missed something somewhere.
I haven't seen or heard of any other religion, besides maybe JWs and Scientologists, that specifically warns its members to avoid anything critical and advises them to read only official publications.
I've never heard of Catholics being taught to avoid anything about their religion not published by the Vatican.
So, maybe I should go back to the fold.... This is how it would go down: I would wear black shirts to church and grow a go-tee. I would sit in EQ and make wise cracks. We would occasionally drink wine and coffee and not listen intently to church leaders. We wouldn't take the prophet seriously. Rather than bear testimony of the rest. gospel I would share funny stories.
The problem is this is not me. I'd be in some strange nebulous zone. I'd probably be unhappy there. Some people are better off just being true to themselves I guess.
Well, of course if you would come to church smelling like a brewery, it may not go down well for anyone. But the black shirt is fine. I know of one ward member in my ward who always wore a black shirt and still passed the sacrament. Maybe you shouldn't post in extremes. Here is the newsflash: no one would care if you wore an black shirt to church. And people would attempt to help you if you came smelling of alcohol I think Zee that you and your wife were much loved in your ward. And they would show you kindness regardless of your problems.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Runtu wrote: I haven't seen or heard of any other religion, besides maybe JWs and Scientologists, that specifically warns its members to avoid anything critical and advises them to read only official publications.
I've never heard of Catholics being taught to avoid anything about their religion not published by the Vatican.
Actually catholics are warned not to read anticatholic literature. It is just common sense. Mormons are encouraged to read from the best books. Not just official publications.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith