Something I have noticed?????dual personalities.

[_Pa Pa]

I have noticed that on the MA&D or MDD site many defend the church…then they come here and run it down. Pick a side! “How long will ye halt between two opinions”. It is not only dishonest…but disgusting.

I have expressed any disagreements I have with the Church or with the MDD on both boards.

That is what I am saying...or trying too.

[_stemelbow]

I have noticed that on the MA&D or MDD site many defend the church…then they come here and run it down. Pick a side! “How long will ye halt between two opinions”. It is not only dishonest…but disgusting.

I get pretty defensive on behalf of my beliefs and religion in both spots. Albeit I also have shown some amount of criticism towards the Church itself in both places too--mostly the gays can't get married thing.

love ya tons,
stem

[_LDSToronto]

I have noticed that on the MA&D or MDD site many defend the church…then they come here and run it down. Pick a side! “How long will ye halt between two opinions”. It is not only dishonest…but disgusting.

I joined MADB about two or three years ago, hoping to find some answers to deeper questions I had about the LDS faith. In those early days, I certainly felt more aligned with the church, even to the point that I'd argue that one just needs to have faith to see the truth of it's teachings.

Hanging out at MADB did more to open my eyes than I'd ever hoped. I was able to see that LDS apologetics is divided into two camps; the first, a group of decent people who are unable to do much more than create complex, unconvincing explanations for what should be simple subjects, and the second, a group of self-righteous pricks who bully and badger and name-call.

In the end, I came here, to the so-called 'trailer park', and found people who can give rational explanations that back their arguments. I've found people who are patient. And I've found people that see no problem with approaching the LDS faith the same way the LDS faith approaches their adherents.

I feel no guilt here if I dissent from popular LDS opinion. Mind you, I will defend the membership of the church. In my opinion, we need to be easy on the people, hard on the faith, as it is the faith that produces the people and I feel that they'd behave differently if they knew better.

Nonetheless, Pa Pa, you will see differences in approaches, simply because of the atmosphere.

H.

[_Pa Pa]

I have noticed that on the MA&D or MDD site many defend the church…then they come here and run it down. Pick a side! “How long will ye halt between two opinions”. It is not only dishonest…but disgusting.

I joined MADB about two or three years ago, hoping to find some answers to deeper questions I had about the LDS faith. In those early days, I certainly felt more aligned with the church, even to the point that I'd argue that one just needs to have faith to see the truth of it's teachings.

Hanging out at MADB did more to open my eyes than I'd ever hoped. I was able to see that LDS apologetics is divided into two camps; the first, a group of decent people who are unable to do much more than create complex, unconvincing explanations for what should be simple subjects, and the second, a group of self-righteous pricks who bully and badger and name-call.

In the end, I came here, to the so-called 'trailer park', and found people who can give rational explanations that back their arguments. I've found people who are patient. And I've found people that see no problem with approaching the LDS faith the same way the LDS faith approaches their adherents.

I feel no guilt here if I dissent from popular LDS opinion. Mind you, I will defend the membership of the church. In my opinion, we need to be easy on the people, hard on the faith, as it is the faith that produces the people and I feel that they'd behave differently if they knew better.

Nonetheless, Pa Pa, you will see differences in approaches, simply because of the atmosphere.

H.

So, do you mean have no standards?

[_stemelbow]

the first, a group of decent people who are unable to do much more than create complex, unconvincing explanations for what should be simple subjects, and the second, a group of self-righteous pricks who bully and badger and name-call.

Perhaps without so much animosity I'd propose the same is found here. Both sides seem to house a certain amount of such folks. Albeit, the list of such at MDD seems quite small for me...and the list here seems well...

love ya tons,
stem

[_stemelbow]

So, do you mean have no standards?

I think that's unfair. His standards just seem a little different then yours. He doesn't want to be bullied and treated unkindly by someone who acts self-righteouss. That's understandable. I wonder who those people are, is all.

love ya tons,
stem

[_Ceeboo]

Dear Pa Pa,

If I may?

As one who has REALLY enjoyed you at MADB, might I suggest that it is a mere possibility that you display a very very different brand of PA Pa here than the one I became fond of at MADB.

Perhaps "disgusting" is a bad choice of word on your part. (I won't presume to select a better word for you)

for what it's worth, I think it has a lot to do with a feeling of comfort, confidence and support that we perceive as we bang away at the keyboard on any given site.


Simply put, for many devout Mormons, this forum is clearly no picnic.

Anyhooo, good to see you here Pa Pa!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Dwight Frye]

I joined MADB about two or three years ago, hoping to find some answers to deeper questions I had about the LDS faith. In those early days, I certainly felt more aligned with the church, even to the point that I'd argue that one just needs to have faith to see the truth of it's teachings.

Hanging out at MADB did more to open my eyes than I'd ever hoped. I was able to see that LDS apologetics is divided into two camps; the first, a group of decent people who are unable to do much more than create complex, unconvincing explanations for what should be simple subjects, and the second, a group of self-righteous pricks who bully and badger and name-call.

In the end, I came here, to the so-called 'trailer park', and found people who can give rational explanations that back their arguments. I've found people who are patient. And I've found people that see no problem with approaching the LDS faith the same way the LDS faith approaches their adherents.

I feel no guilt here if I dissent from popular LDS opinion. Mind you, I will defend the membership of the church. In my opinion, we need to be easy on the people, hard on the faith, as it is the faith that produces the people and I feel that they'd behave differently if they knew better.

Nonetheless, Pa Pa, you will see differences in approaches, simply because of the atmosphere.

H.

So, do you mean have no standards?

Pa Pa = douche nozzle

[_Buffalo]

Hanging out at MADB did more to open my eyes than I'd ever hoped. I was able to see that LDS apologetics is divided into two camps; the first, a group of decent people who are unable to do much more than create complex, unconvincing explanations for what should be simple subjects, and the second, a group of self-righteous pricks who bully and badger and name-call.

In the end, I came here, to the so-called 'trailer park', and found people who can give rational explanations that back their arguments. I've found people who are patient. And I've found people that see no problem with approaching the LDS faith the same way the LDS faith approaches their adherents.

I've had the same experience. MAD makes you very cynical about your fellow members pretty quickly.

[_LDSToronto]

I joined MADB about two or three years ago, hoping to find some answers to deeper questions I had about the LDS faith. In those early days, I certainly felt more aligned with the church, even to the point that I'd argue that one just needs to have faith to see the truth of it's teachings.

Hanging out at MADB did more to open my eyes than I'd ever hoped. I was able to see that LDS apologetics is divided into two camps; the first, a group of decent people who are unable to do much more than create complex, unconvincing explanations for what should be simple subjects, and the second, a group of self-righteous pricks who bully and badger and name-call.

In the end, I came here, to the so-called 'trailer park', and found people who can give rational explanations that back their arguments. I've found people who are patient. And I've found people that see no problem with approaching the LDS faith the same way the LDS faith approaches their adherents.

I feel no guilt here if I dissent from popular LDS opinion. Mind you, I will defend the membership of the church. In my opinion, we need to be easy on the people, hard on the faith, as it is the faith that produces the people and I feel that they'd behave differently if they knew better.

Nonetheless, Pa Pa, you will see differences in approaches, simply because of the atmosphere.

H.

So, do you mean have no standards?

That sentence, 'So, do you mean have no standards?', is missing a word somewhere, because 1) it makes no sense, and 2) I haven't mentioned standards, so I'm assuming you are trying to introduce the notion of "MADB has standards, MDD doesn't", to which I'll ask:

1. What difference does some arbitrary list of moderated rules make?
2. What standards are you referring to?

H.