"The Plan," stinks... seriously!

[_truth dancer]

First, let me say, (IMHO), the LDS, "Plan of Happiness," doesn't seem like a holy plan. Not in the least. (One hundred billion spirits created, 1/3 shipped off to outer darkness, God requiring handshakes and secret code words to get into the CKHL, patriarchy, polygamy, inequality, cruel and silly demands, odd requirements, focus on appearance, power, obedience, wealth, stuff, etc. etc. etc.).

Having said this, as I reflect and ponder on human existence, I am unaware of any "plan" that does make sense.

I'm OK with the idea that the universe, life, humans, exist through billions of years of development/evolution/unfolding and it is what it is, but to think that a divine being came up with this human experience as some sort of plan? I can't see it.

(Yes, this thought originates from my inability to reconcile the problem of suffering).

Just wondering what y'all think...

:-)

~td~

[_zeezrom]

Just as you once expressed before (more elloquently than I can), there is awe in an uncertain future. I hope I didn't put the wrong words in your mouth.

To me, an uncertain future means freedom because it gives the players (all of us) a sense of responsibilty and ability to help each other. Now that I think about it, there is some Mormon-ness to the idea. We do work for the dead because we are able and responsible for them.

Knowing God "will just take care of things for us" takes something away from the glory of uncertainty, in my opinion.

[_sock puppet]

First, let me say, (IMHO), the LDS, "Plan of Happiness," doesn't seem like a holy plan. Not in the least. (One hundred billion spirits created, 1/3 shipped off to outer darkness, God requiring handshakes and secret code words to get into the CKHL, patriarchy, polygamy, inequality, cruel and silly demands, odd requirements, focus on appearance, power, obedience, wealth, stuff, etc. etc. etc.).

Having said this, as I reflect and ponder on human existence, I am unaware of any "plan" that does make sense.

I'm OK with the idea that the universe, life, humans, exist through billions of years of development/evolution/unfolding and it is what it is, but to think that a divine being came up with this human experience as some sort of plan? I can't see it.

(Yes, this thought originates from my inability to reconcile the problem of suffering).

Just wondering what y'all think...

:-)

~td~

Yeah, to think all this was intended is laughable. At least the scientific explanation is just an attempt at what happened and why, not ascribing some grand designer to it.

[_krose]

The actual plan of the universe: "Sh_ _ Happens."

[Guest]

When I was first told of "THE PLAN" I was told that Lucifer wanted to save all men and women but Jesus only wanted to save some. I thought...."Hey, I think I like Lucifer's plan better". I mean, if a denial of my Free Agency means I'm "saved" then go ahead and deny me it! Under the Mormon Jesus' "plan" we get a free agency but perhaps "blue balls" for all eternity because we may not be faithful Mormons.

I prefer the Daheshist "Plan" and that is the Cosmos creates the Gods, and the Gods create nothing. The Gods are simply the evolving "Brain" of the Cosmos. A brain has trillions of brain-cells all interconnected with each other sharing one consciousness. But, it did not start out that way. I mean, the brain of an embryo starts out as literally GOO and slowly grows into a very complicated system of cells. That is the Cosmos--a "goo" that grows into a very complicated network. In Daheshism ALL ARE SAVED eventually, just like Lucifer's Plan. We all eventually make it to Nirvana; just some sooner than others.

The ultimate end of the Universe if that the "Brain" (tillions of cells) evolves and eventually matures, and lives a long life, and eventually dies. But not before spawning other "goos" that eventually grow into fully mature brains with trillions of inter-connected cells.

Why does God create people to suffer? He didn't. We were with Him and not suffering. We rebelled and were cast out to Hell (material planets). We are in Hell...where the Sun burns sour skin and we suffer. We are being punished.

[Guest]

First, let me say, (IMHO), the LDS, "Plan of Happiness," doesn't seem like a holy plan. Not in the least. (One hundred billion spirits created, 1/3 shipped off to outer darkness, God requiring handshakes and secret code words to get into the CKHL, patriarchy, polygamy, inequality, cruel and silly demands, odd requirements, focus on appearance, power, obedience, wealth, stuff, etc. etc. etc.).

Having said this, as I reflect and ponder on human existence, I am unaware of any "plan" that does make sense.

I'm OK with the idea that the universe, life, humans, exist through billions of years of development/evolution/unfolding and it is what it is, but to think that a divine being came up with this human experience as some sort of plan? I can't see it.

(Yes, this thought originates from my inability to reconcile the problem of suffering).

Just wondering what y'all think...

:-)

~td~

And I only thought I had to read your crap at CARM...feeling depressed now, by the way...most here are non-believers, so why are you doing this here?

[_zeezrom]

Papa,

It is depressing that you think the OP is depressing.

[_Pa Pa]

Papa,

It is depressing that you think the OP is depressing.

And it is depressing you think it is depressing, or that now you and I are both depressed. Got to go find a prozac now.

[_krose]

And I only thought I had to read you crap at CARM...feeling depressed now, by the way...most here are non-believers, so why are you doing this here?

First off, how long do you think a post like this would last on a restricted place like the MAD board?

Second, why don't more believers post here? It's certainly not because they are not invited, because everyone is. This is not RfM.

I am inclined to think it's because of a preference for an uneven playing field. That's sad.

[_greentam]

First, let me say, (IMHO), the LDS, "Plan of Happiness," doesn't seem like a holy plan. Not in the least. (One hundred billion spirits created, 1/3 shipped off to outer darkness, God requiring handshakes and secret code words to get into the CKHL, patriarchy, polygamy, inequality, cruel and silly demands, odd requirements, focus on appearance, power, obedience, wealth, stuff, etc. etc. etc.).

(Yes, this thought originates from my inability to reconcile the problem of suffering).

Just wondering what y'all think...

:-)

~td~

I might be taking an unpopular stance, but I agree with you. My problem with "the plan" stems from my want to not have to have someone (Christ) pay for my sins. I can see the redeeming values of having someone "stand in" for us and that there is a large gap between what God wants and who we are.
My view of it is that I don't want someone else to have to suffer for something that I did. Especially because many of our outrightly disobedient actions are purposeful in thought. I guess you could go the route and tell me that I should just "not do things that would hurt Christ." But the plain and simple fact is that no one is perfect. I don't think that I should be allowed a write off just because I prayed and maybe "felt bad" for a while. Wrong actions are serious and maybe I'd just rather take my lumps than feel like I chose for someone else to be harmed in my place.
I hope that this made sense.