God commanded Nephi...

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_Doctor CamNC4Me
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Re: God commanded Nephi...

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On an urelated note everytime I would see Nephi's name in the Book of Mormon I would see this:

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Re: God commanded Nephi...

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brade wrote:Let me modify the story to try to resolve some of your concerns. Instead of the content including the imperative that you ought to behead the mayor, the content includes the imperative that you ought to kill the mayor as soon as possible. In addition to the content that you ought to kill the mayor as soon as possible, the content also includes an explanation for why you ought to do it.


The Nehor wrote:Okay.


brade wrote: The explanation goes something like this: If you don't kill the mayor as soon as possible, then he will swindle the Church in a way that will hurt the Church's reputation and give people reason not to accept the gospel, and, also, if you don't kill the mayor, then you are an unfaithful servant and not worthy of a place in God's kingdom.


The Nehor wrote:That's not the way God has ever spoken to me before. I'd doubt that the communication was authentic. Not sounding like the Holy Ghost at all.


brade wrote: Remember, the phenomenology of the experience is identical in every way to the most powerful spiritual experience you have actually had in real life. The content, however, is different. Again, would you kill the mayor? Yes or no?


The Nehor wrote:Nope, I'd need more clarification.


So, given the story I've told, your answer to the question is simply 'no'. So here's my next question. As the story goes, the spiritual experience with content that you ought to kill the mayor as soon as possible is, in every other way than the content, exactly identical to the strongest spiritual experience you've actually had from which you presumably have accepted some such content or other as being authentically communicated to you from God. Why, in the one case, is the experience sufficient to justify belief that the associated content is authentically from God, but in the other case the experience is not sufficient to justify belief that the associated content is authentically from God?


Also, just out of curiosity, If you would kill somebody because of a spiritual experience, then will you please add to the story the clarification you would need to do so?
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Re: God commanded Nephi...

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brade wrote:
brade wrote:Let me modify the story to try to resolve some of your concerns. Instead of the content including the imperative that you ought to behead the mayor, the content includes the imperative that you ought to kill the mayor as soon as possible. In addition to the content that you ought to kill the mayor as soon as possible, the content also includes an explanation for why you ought to do it.


The Nehor wrote:Okay.


brade wrote: The explanation goes something like this: If you don't kill the mayor as soon as possible, then he will swindle the Church in a way that will hurt the Church's reputation and give people reason not to accept the gospel, and, also, if you don't kill the mayor, then you are an unfaithful servant and not worthy of a place in God's kingdom.


The Nehor wrote:That's not the way God has ever spoken to me before. I'd doubt that the communication was authentic. Not sounding like the Holy Ghost at all.


brade wrote: Remember, the phenomenology of the experience is identical in every way to the most powerful spiritual experience you have actually had in real life. The content, however, is different. Again, would you kill the mayor? Yes or no?


The Nehor wrote:Nope, I'd need more clarification.


So, given the story I've told, your answer to the question is simply 'no'. So here's my next question. As the story goes, the spiritual experience with content that you ought to kill the mayor as soon as possible is, in every other way than the content, exactly identical to the strongest spiritual experience you've actually had from which you presumably have accepted some such content or other as being authentically communicated to you from God. Why, in the one case, is the experience sufficient to justify belief that the associated content is authentically from God, but in the other case the experience is not sufficient to justify belief that the associated content is authentically from God?


Content is part of the experience.

Also, just out of curiosity, If you would kill somebody because of a spiritual experience, then will you please add to the story the clarification you would need to do so?


Sure, a good reason. Not the lame one about causing some minor embarrassment. If they were military governor of a city my family was fleeing due to persecution and I was told that he would try to hunt down me and my family and had already stolen from my brothers and tried to murder us then I would accept it as revelation though I still most likely would not want to do it.
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Re: God commanded Nephi...

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The Nehor wrote:
beefcalf wrote:So, The Nehor, you did not feel the spirit when watching a modern day beheading?


Not that one, no.


What sort of beheading would best invite the spirit, do you think? I'm just wondering because I have the lesson next Sunday and I need a good object lesson.
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