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Dr. Cam

brade wrote:Let me modify the story to try to resolve some of your concerns. Instead of the content including the imperative that you ought to behead the mayor, the content includes the imperative that you ought to kill the mayor as soon as possible. In addition to the content that you ought to kill the mayor as soon as possible, the content also includes an explanation for why you ought to do it.
The Nehor wrote:Okay.
brade wrote: The explanation goes something like this: If you don't kill the mayor as soon as possible, then he will swindle the Church in a way that will hurt the Church's reputation and give people reason not to accept the gospel, and, also, if you don't kill the mayor, then you are an unfaithful servant and not worthy of a place in God's kingdom.
The Nehor wrote:That's not the way God has ever spoken to me before. I'd doubt that the communication was authentic. Not sounding like the Holy Ghost at all.
brade wrote: Remember, the phenomenology of the experience is identical in every way to the most powerful spiritual experience you have actually had in real life. The content, however, is different. Again, would you kill the mayor? Yes or no?
The Nehor wrote:Nope, I'd need more clarification.
brade wrote:brade wrote:Let me modify the story to try to resolve some of your concerns. Instead of the content including the imperative that you ought to behead the mayor, the content includes the imperative that you ought to kill the mayor as soon as possible. In addition to the content that you ought to kill the mayor as soon as possible, the content also includes an explanation for why you ought to do it.The Nehor wrote:Okay.brade wrote: The explanation goes something like this: If you don't kill the mayor as soon as possible, then he will swindle the Church in a way that will hurt the Church's reputation and give people reason not to accept the gospel, and, also, if you don't kill the mayor, then you are an unfaithful servant and not worthy of a place in God's kingdom.The Nehor wrote:That's not the way God has ever spoken to me before. I'd doubt that the communication was authentic. Not sounding like the Holy Ghost at all.brade wrote: Remember, the phenomenology of the experience is identical in every way to the most powerful spiritual experience you have actually had in real life. The content, however, is different. Again, would you kill the mayor? Yes or no?The Nehor wrote:Nope, I'd need more clarification.
So, given the story I've told, your answer to the question is simply 'no'. So here's my next question. As the story goes, the spiritual experience with content that you ought to kill the mayor as soon as possible is, in every other way than the content, exactly identical to the strongest spiritual experience you've actually had from which you presumably have accepted some such content or other as being authentically communicated to you from God. Why, in the one case, is the experience sufficient to justify belief that the associated content is authentically from God, but in the other case the experience is not sufficient to justify belief that the associated content is authentically from God?
Also, just out of curiosity, If you would kill somebody because of a spiritual experience, then will you please add to the story the clarification you would need to do so?
The Nehor wrote:beefcalf wrote:So, The Nehor, you did not feel the spirit when watching a modern day beheading?
Not that one, no.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.