The LDS Church is destructive dangerous.

[_beefcalf]

Taking SWK's Miracle of Forgiveness at its word is enough, in and of itself.

If you're looking for specific details, I'm going to disappoint you. I'm not sharing that on a public message board. It's not important enough that you (or anyone else) believes me. Besides, it seems to me it's self evident that all religion is potentially dangerous. Those who don't see it seem to be the same people who fall for religion in the first place. That's hardly surprising.

Fair enough, Schmorgasborg. I don't see the danger in MoF. Thanks for that teeny tiny piece of personal information though.

You don't think it's dangerous to teach young people that it is better to be DEAD than to lose their virginity before marriage?

[_Some Schmo]

Fair enough, Schmorgasborg.

Hmph. That's got to be the most complementary mutation of my screen name yet. Nice one.

I don't see the danger in MoF.

I didn't expect you would. I pretty much said that in my last post.

Thanks for that teeny tiny piece of personal information though.

What piece?

Here's some free advice you won't take: you really should never complain about people's lack of reading comprehension. Rocks, glass houses, and all that.

[_stemelbow]

You don't think it's dangerous to teach young people that it is better to be DEAD than to lose their virginity before marriage?

Pep pep...that's a funny way to look at it. I don't recall ever being taught that. I get your point, but it comes off as silly...kinda.

[_stemelbow]

What piece?

Here's some free advice you won't take: you really should never complain about people's lack of reading comprehension. Rocks, glass houses, and all that.

So its not your personal opinion that MoF is dangerous?

[_Runtu]

Pep pep...that's a funny way to look at it. I don't recall ever being taught that. I get your point, but it comes off as silly...kinda.

That teaching is in the book "The Miracle of Forgiveness," and you said you didn't think the book was dangerous. That makes sense if you can't recall what was actually in the book.

One of my bishops said that the book's title was apt: "If you still believe in forgiveness after reading that book, it's a miracle!"

[_Yoda]

You don't think it's dangerous to teach young people that it is better to be DEAD than to lose their virginity before marriage?

Pep pep...that's a funny way to look at it. I don't recall ever being taught that. I get your point, but it comes off as silly...kinda.

That is actually a quote in the "Miracle of Forgiveness".

I will have to look up the exact reference. I'm at work now, and on my way out the door to a meeting.

President Kimball indicated that it is better to fight to the death to protect your virginity than allow someone to rape you.

I voted "No" on your poll. I don't believe that the LDS Church is a cult at all. I'm an active member.

I will address your thread more thoroughly later this evening when I am not running out the door.

[_stemelbow]

That teaching is in the book "The Miracle of Forgiveness," and you said you didn't think the book was dangerous. That makes sense if you can't recall what was actually in the book.

Well I'll be...any particular reference? I haven't opened that book up for quite some time. I guess I plum forgot.

One of my bishops said that the book's title was apt: "If you still believe in forgiveness after reading that book, it's a miracle!"

Bishops can't make jokes about stuff like that.

Did you vote, Runtu? eager to know your thoughts.

[_Runtu]

Do I think the church is destructive and dangerous? It can be for certain people. I recognize how some of the church's teachings combined with my family dynamics to develop some destructive beliefs about myself that came out in self-destructive behaviors.

That said, there is much in the church that is good and has helped me become a better person. I know a lot of people who have benefited in many ways from their church membership.

So, my answer is that it depends on the person and the circumstances. I can only answer for my own experience.

[_Runtu]

Well I'll be...any particular reference? I haven't opened that book up for quite some time. I guess I plum forgot.

Maybe so.

Here's the quote, if you're interested:

“Also far-reaching is the effect of loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one’s virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle.”
–Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness.

Bishops can't make jokes about stuff like that.

That's odd, because my bishop made that very joke. He was joking, but he said he would never recommend that book to struggling ward members because he felt it was not helpful in the least.

Did you vote, Runtu? eager to know your thoughts.

Asked and answered, as Juliann says. :)

[_Some Schmo]

What piece?

Here's some free advice you won't take: you really should never complain about people's lack of reading comprehension. Rocks, glass houses, and all that.

So its not your personal opinion that MoF is dangerous?

*rolls eyes*

While it is my personal opinion (shared by people who've actually read the book and have a brain), I don't consider that exactly a piece of personal information.

It's really hard to take you seriously/resist calling you a dumbass. You're either a complete idiot or a troll (or both), which is, I imagine, why so many suspect you're actually Simon.

pep pep, think little of you tons...