The LDS Church is destructive dangerous.

[_Runtu]

I am curious...I don't know if you'll want to answer me or not, if not, I don't mind. Anyway, by saying "any of the church's claims were not so problematic" are you suggesting that each claim made by the church is problematic?

I should clarify that I mean the church's truth-claims, which rest on specific claims of historical events, scriptural authenticity, and so forth. I can't think of any of the church's truth-claims that are not problematic.

[_stemelbow]

I should clarify that I mean the church's truth-claims, which rest on specific claims of historical events, scriptural authenticity, and so forth. I can't think of any of the church's truth-claims that are not problematic.

cool. Interesting to think, and I don't know if this is the case with you, that your entire opinion on something like this could turn a hundred and eighty degrees in a few years, huh? I mean I suppose at some point you truly felt that Joseph Smith' claim of having a vision of God the Father and the Son was true and real, right? Now its wholly problematic on the face of it.

[_Runtu]

cool. Interesting to think, and I don't know if this is the case with you, that your entire opinion on something like this could turn a hundred and eighty degrees in a few years, huh? I mean I suppose at some point you truly felt that Joseph Smith' claim of having a vision of God the Father and the Son was true and real, right? Now its wholly problematic on the face of it.

On the face of it? No. I did really believe in Joseph's claims, but then I spent time and effort to study and ponder and pray, after which I concluded that his claims were problematic, and many of them were demonstrably untrue.

Personally, I think that when the evidence and your conscience points you in a direction different from the one you started from, it's not only admirable, but necessary, to follow the evidence and your conscience, even if that means turning 180 degrees. To continue in a path that you consider false would be kind of stupid.

[_Jason Bourne]

Bring the quote. We can consider it too. But rest assured I do not think that 5 quotes in the past 50 years makes for a whole lot, considering how many times leaders have spoken on the issue of chastity. Even still none of the previous 4 have suggested what was initially claimed they suggest, so I'm suspicious of your's too.

Why waste my time with you anymore? Apparently either you cannot read or to accept that these men said what they said will rock your boat too much. And it was not just four quotes over 50 years. These comments were made frequently. Other leaders made them and others quoted them. Leaders and teachers in wards used them to teach chastity as well, ferquently. And still do at times.

[_Eric]

Just keepin it real.

[_Runtu]

Why waste me time with you anymore? Apparently either you cannot read or to accept that these men said what they said will rock your boat too much. And it was not just four quotes over 50 years. These comments were made frequently. Other leaders made them and others quoted them. Leaders and teachers in wards used them to teach chastity as well, ferquently. And still do at times.

Yep. We know what we were taught regularly and frequently (and my daughter tells me that she was taught the same thing at "standards night" recently), so there's no point in arguing about it.

[_Ceeboo]

Just keepin it real.

Brilliant!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Runtu]

Brilliant!

Peace,
Ceeboo

I think I must have missed something.

[_Eric]

Brilliant!

Peace,
Ceeboo

I think I must have missed something.

Just a high level of emotion and sanctimony from Ceebo. Don't worry. The Mod That Chose Itself took care of it. Chuck-A-Muck.

[_Ceeboo]

Just a high level of emotion and sanctimony from Ceebo.

It's Ceeboo (Among other things that you seem to severly lack, a vowel is but one of them)

Don't worry. The Mod That Chose Itself took care of it. Chuck-A-Muck.

You should be thankful that someone is willing to change you when you make a mess.


Peace,
Ceeboo