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Here, beefcalf began a very interesting list of how COJCOLDS today differs from what is 'taught' in the Book of Mormon. The first eight are beefcalf's original listing entries; subsequent additions from later posts are attributed to the contributing poster:

• Father and Son each a personage of flesh - Not in the Book of Mormon.
• Temple Ceremonies - Not in the Book of Mormon.
• Baptisms for the Dead - Specified as unnecessary*.
• Pre-existence - Not there.
• Three degrees of Glory - Conspicuously Absent.
• 'Hell' reserved only for the sons of perdition - Not in the Book of Mormon.
• Eternal Marriage - Missing.
• Polygamy - Condemned, no less.
• Modern view of the Priesthood and its Offices - Not there.
• "Salvation Depends Upon Paying Tithing: Not in the Book of Mormon."--Darth J identified, encapsulated by beefcalf, king of this list
• The concept of a Penecostal Born Again experience (like Enos, Alma, Alma & Lamoni etc)--Inconceivable added.
• Secret combinations condemned (blood oaths, signs & tokens[, Council of Fifty, secrecy regarding "polygamy"--sp added] etc)--Inconceivable added.
• If seeking riches, it is only after obtaining a hope in Christ, and only to feed the captive, cloth the hungry and liberate the naked (or something like that)--Inconceivable added.
• Setting the heart of the church upon the things of this world (Lavish temples, downtown Salt Lake, corporations, vast land holdings etc.)--Inconceivable added.
• Rameumpton meetings condemned (fast & testibaloney meetings)--Inconceivable added.
• Let's also remember the story of King Benjamin, "laboring with mine own hands that I might serve you."--Darth J added.
• Oh, those good old days, when the Native American Hebrews had a king who became a prophet--Darth J added.
• Not like today, where we have a prophet we turn into a king--Darth J added.
• The Book of Mormon teaches that it is possible for an entire nation (including the children, elderly, disabled, infirm, hungry, poor, widows, etc.) to digress morally to the point where there is NO turning back or possibility for the infinite atoning blood of Christ to reach--yet today, COJCOLDS teaches that Christ's atonement is infinite in its reach--Zeezrom added.

This thread was started so that other MDB readers/posters can add those that they have observed and noticed.

*Edited per beefcalf's corrective post

Well, I can give you one in which they are similiar: women are virtually nonexistent in the Book of Mormon.

Funny how that works.

harmony wrote:Well, I can give you one in which they are similiar: women are virtually nonexistent in the Book of Mormon.

Funny how that works.

Isn't that obvious: There was not enough room on the boat.

As to incongruities, Church doctrine changes over time whether by mood, happenstance like polygamy and changing societal pressure (suspending polygamy and the repealing the racial ban). Mood, happenstance and pressure can change most things.

harmony wrote:Well, I can give you one in which they are similiar: women are virtually nonexistent in the Book of Mormon.

Funny how that works.

Women are very much present in the Book of Mormon. They are presented as complaining and nagging to death the men who know what they are doing (Sariah); as having hysterical emotional outbursts while the men are presumably somber and level-headed (Sariah; the women when Ishmael died); as having out of control sexuality (lewd dancing on the boat while rational and sensible Nephi is offended); as preparing their sons for man's work (mothers of the stripling warriors); as performing Masonic rites; as domestic servants who need a beating now and then (Alma 50:30); as not being worth being mentioned by name by the prophet composing the record (Nephi's wife); as overreacting because of emotions instead of knowing what is going on (Alma 22:19-23); as being gullible and needing a man (Lamanite queen who married Amalackiah after he killed her husband); as using their sexuality to get their way; and as harlots (Isabel, who did it with Corianton while he was on a mission).

Harmony, if you will repent from the bitterness and darkness of your apostasy, and cease to kick against the pricks (no pun intended), you will see that there is a great deal for you to learn as a woman from the archetypes in the Book of Mormon. You will learn that by nature you, as a female, are gullible, emotionally unstable and sexually out of control, who uses sex to confuse and manipulate men. You will come to see that complaining against your husband will only bring sorrow, and that you need to follow his inspired counsel because he knows what he is doing. You will find joy in being an anonymous helpmeet to the superior partner in your marriage. And you will understand that having a man around to guide you and throw down the occasional beating is really the best way to deal with womanhood.

It is my sincere prayer for Harmony and other sisters in the gospel whose faith has wavered that they will come to embrace and accept these truths about femininity that the Book of Mormon exemplifies for us.

In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

Darth J wrote:Harmony, if you will repent from the bitterness and darkness of your apostasy, and cease to kick against the pricks (no pun intended), you will see that there is a great deal for you to learn as a woman from the archetypes in the Book of Mormon. You will learn that by nature you, as a female, are gullible, emotionally unstable and sexually out of control, who uses sex to confuse and manipulate men. You will come to see that complaining against your husband will only bring sorrow, and that you need to follow his inspired counsel because he knows what he is doing. You will find joy in being an anonymous helpmeet to the superior partner in your marriage. And you will understand that having a man around to guide you and throw down the occasional beating is really the best way to deal with womanhood.

No wonder I've never been called as RS prez. The bishops have been inspired after all!

harmony wrote:Well, I can give you one in which they are similiar: women are virtually nonexistent in the Book of Mormon.

Funny how that works.

I found a photograph of you in your prime, harmony:

Hey, Sock,

Yeah, sorry about derailing your 'Secret Combinations' thread... and thanks for moving this topic to it's own thread.

I just wanted to flesh the list out a bit. The part about Baptisms for the Dead: I indicated that it is not in the Book of Mormon, but, alas, I have to confess that I was wrong.

I went back through some old notes I had, and realized I had made the mistake, so, to be completely fair and transparent, I need to set the record straight.

The Prophet Mormon, in the book of Moroni 8, 22, wrote:For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—

So, as you can see, the Book of Mormon does make reference to baptismal ordinances for the dead.

It clearly says they are not necessary.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Simon Belmont wrote:

harmony wrote:Well, I can give you one in which they are similiar: women are virtually nonexistent in the Book of Mormon.

Funny how that works.

I found a photograph of you in your prime, harmony:

I assume that by posting this picture of a couple of women representative of those who were prepared to face all that the male world could throw at them (ridicule certainly, but also violence up to and including force-feeding in prison) in order to win basic political rights for half the human race, Belmont wishes to show how much he admires a woman like harmony?

Or maybe he just didn't think very much one way or another, but just had to post something in the hope that it might be interpreted as some kind of amazingly witty put-down? Perish the thought that Belmont might just have nothing relevant to say ...

It is very simple. They are not mentioned because their names are sacred - not secret.

It must be quite the shock to the belief system of new converts, those that actually read the Book of Mormon before they were dunked to be Mormons, to then learn that the COJCOLDS they've joined on the strength of the Book of Mormon does these things that beefcalf has listed out for us, and appear again below:

• Father and Son each a personage of flesh - Not in the Book of Mormon.
• Temple Ceremonies - Not in the Book of Mormon.
• Baptisms for the Dead - Specified as unnecessary.
• Pre-existence - Not there.
• Three degrees of Glory - Conspicuously Absent.
• 'Hell' reserved only for the sons of perdition - Not in the Book of Mormon.
• Eternal Marriage - Missing.
• Polygamy - Condemned, no less.
• Modern view of the Priesthood and its Offices - Not there.