For TBMs: Could you be wrong?
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_selek
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For TBMs: Could you be wrong?
For the TBMs who post here, I'm curious:
Do you ever consider that you could be wrong about the truthfulness of the LDS religion? Why or why not? Is there any amount of debate or evidence that could convince you that you're wrong?
For example, by truthfulness I mean things such as the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham being authentic translations of ancient records, Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and restored the "gospel", that the current COJCoLDS is led by true prophets, uninterrupted in their authority since the "restoration", etc...
Do you ever consider that you could be wrong about the truthfulness of the LDS religion? Why or why not? Is there any amount of debate or evidence that could convince you that you're wrong?
For example, by truthfulness I mean things such as the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham being authentic translations of ancient records, Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and restored the "gospel", that the current COJCoLDS is led by true prophets, uninterrupted in their authority since the "restoration", etc...
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_The Nehor
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Re: For TBMs: Could you be wrong?
selek wrote:For the TBMs who post here, I'm curious:
Do you ever consider that you could be wrong about the truthfulness of the LDS religion? Why or why not? Is there any amount of debate or evidence that could convince you that you're wrong?
It's unlikely debate would work. I'd need evidence discrediting my contact with the divine. If you could prove somehow that those were beamed into me by aliens or secret government agencies somehow then that might work but you'd need a lot of evidence to establish that. It would also need to explain the 'foretelling the future accurately' in several of the experiences.
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Re: For TBMs: Could you be wrong?
It's unlikely debate would work.
No discussion of the facts. Got it.
I'd need evidence discrediting my contact with the divine.
You contacted the divine? Really? Did you get any pictures?
If you could prove somehow that those were beamed into me by aliens or secret government agencies somehow then that might work but you'd need a lot of evidence to establish that.
So, you try to discredit criticism of your own experiences with the "divine" by linking criticisms to other supernatural experiences, some of which other people believe in fervently.
Interesting.
It would also need to explain the 'foretelling the future accurately' in several of the experiences.
Such as?
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Re: For TBMs: Could you be wrong?
selek wrote:For the TBMs who post here, I'm curious:
Do you ever consider that you could be wrong about the truthfulness of the LDS religion? Why or why not? Is there any amount of debate or evidence that could convince you that you're wrong?
For example, by truthfulness I mean things such as the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham being authentic translations of ancient records, Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and restored the "gospel", that the current COJCoLDS is led by true prophets, uninterrupted in their authority since the "restoration", etc...
For TBMs the truth claim rests on the holy ghost and in this they would have a difficult time saying that they could be wrong. However, if one takes out the holy ghost, then yes, they could be wrong since the lds church has not been proven conclusively true.
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why me wrote:selek wrote:For the TBMs who post here, I'm curious:
Do you ever consider that you could be wrong about the truthfulness of the LDS religion? Why or why not? Is there any amount of debate or evidence that could convince you that you're wrong?
For example, by truthfulness I mean things such as the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham being authentic translations of ancient records, Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and restored the "gospel", that the current COJCoLDS is led by true prophets, uninterrupted in their authority since the "restoration", etc...
For TBMs the truth claim rests on the holy ghost and in this they would have a difficult time saying that they could be wrong. However, if one takes out the holy ghost, then yes, they could be wrong since the lds church has not been proven conclusively true.
I don't see what it's so difficult. It's really not possible that you've misinterpreted a spiritual experience or spiritual experience in general?
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The Nehor wrote:I'd need evidence discrediting my contact with the divine....It would also need to explain the 'foretelling the future accurately' in several of the experiences.
Hello,
Out of curiosity, what does the Divine and un-Divine communicate to you?
V/R
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: For TBMs: Could you be wrong?
For TBMs the truth claim rests on the holy ghost and in this they would have a difficult time saying that they could be wrong. However, if one takes out the holy ghost, then yes, they could be wrong since the lds church has not been proven conclusively true.
I don't see what it's so difficult. It's really not possible that you've misinterpreted a spiritual experience or spiritual experience in general?
I think you have to be really focused on your own experience at the exclusion of others to conclude that your spiritual experience MUST be right. You don't think that other religions have spiritual experiences? Catholics, protestants, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. don't have spiritual experiences? Why are only your spiritual experiences to be considered but the experiences of others ignored?
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Re: For TBMs: Could you be wrong?
The Nehor wrote:selek wrote:For the TBMs who post here, I'm curious:
Do you ever consider that you could be wrong about the truthfulness of the LDS religion? Why or why not? Is there any amount of debate or evidence that could convince you that you're wrong?
It's unlikely debate would work. I'd need evidence discrediting my contact with the divine.
Why do you attribute your contact with the divine as having anything to with Mormonism?
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People ask me this all the time. I always ask them if they worry the JWs or Buddhists are right. So I don't worry every day if I might be wrong about the Buddhists, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Jains, etc.
I also have a spiritual witness that Athena lives and loves me. Do I worry I'm not devoting my life to her because I question her existence despite this witness? NO.
I also have a spiritual witness that Athena lives and loves me. Do I worry I'm not devoting my life to her because I question her existence despite this witness? NO.
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Re: For TBMs: Could you be wrong?
selek wrote:For the TBMs who post here, I'm curious:
Do you ever consider that you could be wrong about the truthfulness of the LDS religion? Why or why not? Is there any amount of debate or evidence that could convince you that you're wrong?
For example, by truthfulness I mean things such as the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham being authentic translations of ancient records, Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and restored the "gospel", that the current COJCoLDS is led by true prophets, uninterrupted in their authority since the "restoration", etc...
'course, I could be. And I'm open to being shown that.
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