Pahoran's Ignorance is Bliss

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_stemelbow
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Runtu wrote:I'm not upset with him. I just find what happened ironic. If you thing that's piling on and ridiculing Pahoran, I am sorry.


What are you apologizing for me for? this type of stuff happens here all the time. I just find the atmosphere inhibiting, as I've expressed many times before, and this type of stuff is one of the reasons why. If ya wish to apologize, apologize to Pahoran, although I doubt he'd care. So go figure. TIme to move on, I suppose.
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stemelbow wrote:
What are you apologizing for me for? this type of stuff happens here all the time. I just find the atmosphere inhibiting, as I've expressed many times before, and this type of stuff is one of the reasons why. If ya wish to apologize, apologize to Pahoran, although I doubt he'd care. So go figure. TIme to move on, I suppose.


Anyway, set up your own message board if ya don't like this one. Oh...why there's one right over there, but you aren't willing to leave this one alone. hmmm....
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Buffalo wrote:Anyway, set up your own message board if ya don't like this one. Oh...why there's one right over there, but you aren't willing to leave this one alone. hmmm....


pep pep...but its not the rules I take issue with. Indeed Ilike the idea of less rules, and policing. Its the atmosphere. I guess sacrificing one brings on other problems. It happens. But we can work through this.
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stemelbow wrote:I don't know whose sicker--Pahoran or you.


I do.
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FAIR/MADB has a long, long history of deleting clear refutations that harm what certain Mormon apologists were arguing and sometimes silently banning the offending posters when there was no real offense. It doesn't always happen, but it happens often enough that I'm sure many people here have personally experienced it. It's perfectly in keeping with that character to ban the posts here too. It would be little shocking if they didn't, even if Kevin wasn't the poster in question. This is called having background knowledge, not making unwarranted assumptions.
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stemelbow wrote: I don't know whose sicker--Pahoran or you.


Are you suggesting that you could additionally power an electric generator from steam created when immersing Kevin Graham in water? At least that puts North America on parity with Down Under.
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moksha wrote:Are you suggesting that you could additionally power an electric generator from steam created when immersing Kevin Graham in water? At least that puts North America on parity with Down Under.


Well, Pahoran is lifting up Oz by freeing it of all of those heavy facts.
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i hate to be the one to break it to you, its more that they don't take kindly to you.


Why is it more likely? No one has ever been able to refute my arguments when I post there and I usually end up getting messages from several people asking me for their help with certain issues. The mods read the private messages, we know this for a fact. They then delete me because of this, saying they will not have their forum used as a platform for anti-Mormon recruitment or what not.

The name of the site is a misnomer. Mormon Dialogue? That silly forum has always been interested in one thing and one thing alone. Suppressing dissenting views and using mod authority too shape discussions in a manner that makes it look like the apologetic side has the upper hand.

And I was banned in August 2006 when I dared challenge Daniel Peterson and Brian Hauglid on a very sensitive issue. When I was first reprimanded I had no less than four veteran posters complain that I was being singled out. Greg Taggert even said he thought my responses to these people were very gracious, and not trying to be disrespectful. But because I kept asking them questions they had no answer for, Juliann stepped in and invoked an "asked and answered" policy, meaning I wasn't allowed to ask a question if it had already been answered. But it wasn't answered. Hauglid asserted without evidence that the text critical evidence indicating the Book of Abraham manuscripts were dictated, also make sense within a copyist scenario. I asked him how, and he just kept repeating the same thing. "It is compatible with a copyist view." That assertion doesn't explain HOW though, and I was hardly the only person on the forum asking him to explain it.

I think it was a few days later Dan peterson got on my case and I was banned for good. Too many people were struggling over this issue and they needed to thin the herd of critical responders. So frankly, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Its not so much that they don't take kindly to factual information.


Yes it is, as evidenced by their actions.

Say if it all came from Pahoran, they probably wouldn't be calling for Pahoran's head, you see?


It would never come from Pahoran. He is the one who likes to do a CFR thinking he is on the verge of catching me in a snare. But I didn't proviide examples in my initial statement because I knew someone like him would demand examples. The fact that they do this proves my point that no one on that forum has a decent grasp of the situation. Ignorance on the Book of Abraham is at an all time high over there, thanks to many contradicting FAIR presentations that seek to do nothing except complicate a rather simple matter.

Now get off your high horse and get off your silly rants against certain LDS folks. What kinda jollies are you going for anyway?


Truth, as always. And yes, I do get a kick out of poking fun of some of the most self-righteous idiots like Pahoran and JeffK. The fact that they refuse to come here and venture outside their safety zone, is very telling. They have no argument to make outside MAD because they know they will always be hammered with the facts. Facts that will not be edited or censored by the mods.

None of you fare well over here in debate, no matter what the topic is.
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EAllusion wrote:FAIR/MADB has a long, long history of deleting clear refutations that harm what certain Mormon apologists were arguing and sometimes silently banning the offending posters when there was no real offense. It doesn't always happen, but it happens often enough that I'm sure many people here have personally experienced it. It's perfectly in keeping with that character to ban the posts here too. It would be little shocking if they didn't, even if Kevin wasn't the poster in question. This is called having background knowledge, not making unwarranted assumptions.


Bingo. They have an image to maintain. Apoogists are supposed to be the educated scholars with intellectual honesty and the critics are supposed to be evil anti-Mormons who engage in trickery and deception. Every time I post over there I prove the opposite is true, and that is one of the reasons why they despise me so much.

I should also point out that their resident scholar, David Bokovy, sent me a message with some very nice compliments. Even though we disagree on some issues, he felt my comments were "too important" and he hoped I didn't get banned again.

And despite popular myth, I only go over to MAD using a sock puppet like once every year. I always make it known who I am after someone asks. It is more for kicks and giggles because I know exactly how Juliann and Scott Gordon will jump out of their seat and hit the panic button.
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Pahoran has an insufferable way of dealing with critics, and he adds nothing useful to any conversation. He has been getting himself banned from specific topics for directing insults at people. I think his only goal is to make the opposition angry enough to discredit themselves with emotional outbursts.

The moderation seems to have improved, since they are actually moderating the LDS side of the conversation. Some people over there, Pahoran included, are completely out of hand, and they have been given free reign to be as obtuse as they like. It is nice to see someone tugging a bit on the reins.
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