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zeezrom wrote:That is all.

Bye.

There is nothing wrong in drinking non-alcoholic beer. And it is a better way to go. What did your wife think when you came home a little stewed? Now zee, you do know, I assume, that every alcoholic has begun with one beer or with one whiskey etc.

zeezrom wrote:Now that it's over, I look back on this experience as a nice time with friends and nothing more, really. I went into it thinking I was going to taste the smell I remember from the days I used to collect smashed Coors cans for recycling. I was also expecting a little more craziness. No, the drinks were just nice drinks over a meal with socializing. I'm actually left wondering what all the hubbub was about all my life. Sure, people can be irresponsible and get addicted and DUI etc. But I really didn't feel any bit evil. It was nothing like tasting coffee. Now that was evil!

D&C 89:4 wrote:
Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

It seems to me that the Lord is telling us that the evil is coming from the hearts of conspiring men not from the ingesting alcoholic beverages.

I've had my share of experience with alcohol and never felt "evil" for drinking it. Yet the addictive nature of alcohol and the effect it has invites those evil influences. So it's a cause and effect scenario.

Drinking alcohol is only done for the effect. Whether you have enough to end up french kissing the floor or just relaxing with friends. Either way the alcohol has an effect. If there was no effect people wouldn't prefer it over other drinks. And yes I've used the "I just like the way it tastes" excuse too.

I came to understand the "evil" influence of alcohol after my friend died driving home from a "nice time with friends" killing herself and her son. Carrying that coffin to the grave was a wake up call for me.

I agree with bluedream. Don't be hasty with the drinking. You don't have to drink to prove your an atheist, agnostic, exmo, etc. in my opinion

Despite the warnings of the prophets, I plan to drink beer again next year.

Also, I will do everything possible to avoid living in the Celestial Kingdom because they don't serve beer there.

GR33N wrote:
Drinking alcohol is only done for the effect. Whether you have enough to end up french kissing the floor or just relaxing with friends. Either way the alcohol has an effect. If there was no effect people wouldn't prefer it over other drinks. And yes I've used the "I just like the way it tastes" excuse too.

Why is beer made in various ways with different tastes if it is only done for the effect?

Maybe we could say it is made for a combination of taste and effect?

Hey Zee,

Ceeboo loves his ice cold beer after a round of golf, with a T-Bone steak, or while BBQ-ing on a hot summer day.

Like many things in life, moderation and responsibilty play large roles.

As for the "only for effect", I would simply suggest that is utter NONSENSE!

Peace,
Ceeboo

zeezrom wrote:

GR33N wrote:
Drinking alcohol is only done for the effect. Whether you have enough to end up french kissing the floor or just relaxing with friends. Either way the alcohol has an effect. If there was no effect people wouldn't prefer it over other drinks. And yes I've used the "I just like the way it tastes" excuse too.

Why is beer made in various ways with different tastes if it is only done for the effect?

Maybe we could say it is made for a combination of taste and effect?

And with wine, it's taste is by far the most important thing. So many wineries producing their own variations in so many different countries. The alcohol effect is less than secondary.

Often, when people attend wine tastings or tour wineries, they taste the wine and then spit it out. Getting drunk ruins one's tasting abilities.

Hi Zee,

I am a bit surprised by the astute association you made between baptism and beer.

From my experience, former believers typically arn't all that aware of the deeper meaning of the Word of Wisdom. While they are often mindful that the health and dietary counsel is intended for increased quality and capacity in life, they tend not to have grasped that the Word of Wisdom, like baptism, is also intended to act as an outward symbol of inward covenants, commitments, and priorities. It is also an outword symbol of having choosen to be in the world, but not of the world.

In its own way, the same may be true when a former believer chooses to break the Word of Wisdom and even more so when they decide to announce it the world. In so doing, it is an outward symbol of abandoning some of their former covenants, commitments, and priorities, and adopting new one's that comport with their new faith. It is also a way of outwardly signifying one's inward desire to become more of the world.

May I wish you well in your new chemically enhanced faith journey, and hope all the best as you strive for your more worldly commitments, covenants, and priorities.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Technically, Beer is proscribed by the WoW, not prohibited. Mild barley drinks, remember?

wenglund wrote:Hi Zee,

I am a bit surprised by the astute association you made between baptism and beer.

From my experience, former believers typically arn't all that aware of the deeper meaning of the Word of Wisdom. While they are often mindful that the health and dietary counsel is intended for increased quality and capacity in life, they tend not to have grasped that the Word of Wisdom, like baptism, is also intended to act as an outward symbol of inward covenants, commitments, and priorities. It is also an outword symbol of having choosen to be in the world, but not of the world.

In its own way, the same may be true when a former believer chooses to break the Word of Wisdom and even more so when they decide to announce it the world. In so doing, it is an outward symbol of abandoning some of their former covenants, commitments, and priorities, and adopting new one's that comport with their new faith. It is also a way of outwardly signifying one's inward desire to become more of the world.

May I wish you well in your new chemically enhanced faith journey, and hope all the best as you strive for your more worldly commitments, covenants, and priorities.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Clearly, Zeezrom has rejected the teachings of spiritual giants who showed by example that we should abstain from alcohol........like Jesus and Joseph Smith.

karl61 wrote:I just don't have the alcohol gene. The only time I liked it was once when I was about fifteen and was riding motorcycles in the desert. We stopped to rest and I was eating and sandwich and reached down and grabbed my Pepsi. After about five gulps I realized it wasn't bad but it wasn't Pepsi. It was someone's beer. I was real thirsty. But the last time I tried to drink beer (about ten years ago) I threw up after a few swigs. But I love Pepsi and Coke.

Me, neither. What a rip-off.