MDB Member's "I'm an ex-Mormon" Video

[_sock puppet]

The LDS church has not been proven true, until something is conclusively proven true it remains, not true. What proof do you have that the Theory of Mormonism is true?

The catholic church believes that it is the true church. What proof is there that it is true? None.

Which is the same quantum of proof that the Mormon church is.

[_Buffalo]

I have a proposal. When Monson starts prefacing all of his comments with "In my opinion...", I will do the same when I make any comments about Mormonism. Deal?

Very few religious leaders will come out and say that their church is false or not true. However, it is up to you to prove the lie. And if a person states that the lds church is false, they must prove it. Monson has faith that his church is true. What proof do you have that it is not?

I already proved it, but you're too chicken to acknowledge it.

[_Themis]

If the lds church has been proven false, it would fall like a house of cards. Innuendos or hypotheticals don't cut it. In the celestial forum, the debate still rages as to whom wrote the Book of Mormon. Still no proof from either side...the daleites, the vogelites etc.

Of course you don't think it has been proven false. So what. I am sure we could find some who say the same thing about a round earth, Global flood, etc. I see you haven't yet stated that this is your opinion just like you think everyone who thinks it has been proven false are supposed to do, or are you ok with them not saying that now?

by the way this may help (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof)

[_ludwigm]

I have a proposal. When Monson starts prefacing all of his comments with "In my opinion...", I will do the same when I make any comments about Mormonism. Deal?

Very few religious leaders will come out and say that their church is false or not true. However, it is up to you to prove the lie. And if a person states that the lds church is false, they must prove it. Monson has faith that his church is true. What proof do you have that it is not?

As far as I can decode, Dad of a Mormon has said nothing about church, false or true, or faith.

It is about private opinion as a man oppositing with thus said the Lord (by my words as the lords mouthpiece).

An old problem, by the way.
Apologists are saying "it was his private opinion".
Up to now, I have never listened/read any talk/address/sermon by any prophet/seer/revelator saying "In my opinion...".

That is.

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I wouldn't say
- When Monson starts prefacing all of his comments with "In my opinion..."

I would say
- When Monson starts prefacing one of his comments with "In my opinion..."

[_Inspired]

I have a proposal. When Monson starts prefacing all of his comments with "In my opinion...", I will do the same when I make any comments about Mormonism. Deal?

Very few religious leaders will come out and say that their church is false or not true. However, it is up to you to prove the lie. And if a person states that the lds church is false, they must prove it. Monson has faith that his church is true. What proof do you have that it is not?

I'm curious, how would you prove a religion is not true?

[_NibleyGhost]

I'm curious, how would you prove a religion is not true?

You wouldn't. You can't. That's why even the wackiest religions exist today (not sure yet if I am to include the Mormon church in that category).

The point that was trying to be made was that the burden of proof lies in the one making the claim. So, consider this: if the president of the Mormon church goes on living his religion and does whatever Mormon presidents do, and a critic makes a claim "that is not the true religion," where does the burden of proof lie?

[_Inspired]

I'm curious, how would you prove a religion is not true?

You wouldn't. You can't. That's why even the wackiest religions exist today (not sure yet if I am to include the Mormon church in that category).

The point that was trying to be made was that the burden of proof lies in the one making the claim. So, consider this: if the president of the Mormon church goes on living his religion and does whatever Mormon presidents do, and a critic makes a claim "that is not the true religion," where does the burden of proof lie?

so if you can't ever prove a religion is false, then do why do religions and their followers parade and celebrate the notion that no one has ever been able to prove that it is untrue?
I'm curious know from those that take pride in the illusion that there religion has never been proven false, how would you prove a religion is not true?

[_NibleyGhost]

so if you can't ever prove a religion is false, then do why do religions and their followers parade and celebrate the notion that no one has ever been able to prove that it is untrue?
I'm curious know from those that take pride in the illusion that there religion has never been proven false, how would you prove a religion is not true?

You can't objectively prove either way. That's why religions are based on subjective experience and faith.

[_Tchild]

I'm curious, how would you prove a religion is not true?

You wouldn't. You can't. That's why even the wackiest religions exist today (not sure yet if I am to include the Mormon church in that category).

The point that was trying to be made was that the burden of proof lies in the one making the claim. So, consider this: if the president of the Mormon church goes on living his religion and does whatever Mormon presidents do, and a critic makes a claim "that is not the true religion," where does the burden of proof lie?

It depends on how you frame the statement. "That is not a true religion" is far too vague to mean anything definitive.

Proof could be the falsifiable aspect of a core doctrinal cornerstone of Mormonism: "The fall" of Adam. Counter to LDS teachings and doctrine, Adam was not the first man and he did not introduce death into a deathless world.

Strike out.

[_Inspired]

so if you can't ever prove a religion is false, then do why do religions and their followers parade and celebrate the notion that no one has ever been able to prove that it is untrue?
I'm curious know from those that take pride in the illusion that there religion has never been proven false, how would you prove a religion is not true?

You can't objectively prove either way. That's why religions are based on subjective experience and faith.

could the Book of Mormon be proved untrue?