Women can not be Sons of Perdition

[_Yoda]

...The only people who qualify are men who are ordained apostles, and perhaps, seventies (so I'm told, I've never really studied it out).

I think the consensus is that prophets and apostles are just as close to the divine as everyone else. They need to rely on the feelings they receive from the Spirit for guidance. If that is truly the case, then I would be well within the sop zone because I at one point received a feeling that confirmed the truth of the Book of Mormon yet deny it as false today... and I drank a polygamy porter last night, which makes me all the more damned.

And drank it on a Sunday, no less! LOL

Were you shocked that lightning didn't immediately strike you down?

[_krose]

See? They're doing women a favor by keeping them out of priesthood and leadership position, protecting them from outer darkness doom that might befall them if they got too much power and priesthood.

You 'sisters' should be grateful.

[_Blixa]

It all hinges on what is defined as "apostacy".

Actually, I think it all hinges on whether women can receive the necessary special witness of Jesus Christ the same way a man could.

H.

I think this is the case, and is usually part of the explanation whenever I've seen the topic infrequently addressed.

[_bcspace]

See? They're doing women a favor by keeping them out of priesthood and leadership position, protecting them from outer darkness doom that might befall them if they got too much power and priesthood.

You 'sisters' should be grateful.

Yes. So if Liz wants to escape OD and be in the Celestial Kingdom, she will probably have to accept a 4th or 5th wife position. Other female apostates? If the resurrection doesn't correct their gender, they're probably looking at the tail end of a 20 or 30 wife gaggle.
;)

Oh c'mon! You have to admit it made you smile.

[_Nightlion]

What is genitalia if it doesn't exist spiritually?

LOL. Man you can barely comprehend what you never heard before, can ya?

I said that organized intelligence is not gendered. It is only light and truth that has been added upon with the knowledge of a specific sphere of independent existence. That was the first creation and a proto creation to what Mormons THINK is their being born to heavenly parents.

We are out of the box here folks. Okay? There are FOUR count them, 4 stages of existence. Since we do not count the REAL pre-existence, which would be the light of truth from where all intelligence originated.

D&C 20:30-32
30 But remember that all my judgments are not given unto men; and as the words have gone forth out of my mouth even so shall they be fulfilled, that the first shall be last, and that the last shall be first in all things whatsoever I have created by the word of my power, which is the power of my Spirit.
31 For by the power of my Spirit created I them; yea, all things both spiritual and temporal—
32 First spiritual, secondly temporal, which is the beginning of my work; and again, first temporal, and secondly spiritual, which is the last of my work—

Just to make it more confusing for the spiritually challenged; this is Jesus Christ speaking here. I can see you all shaking you heads like you already know that Jesus was the Very Eternal Father. Right?

Now you are really confused.

Organized intelligence does not have a reason to be 'genderized' as it did not come by way of the continuation of the seeds, but rather only by the word of God's power. He commanded and men were made by him. Called out of the light if you will. NO SEX simply a command of God and a gift of independent life is received by those who will receive it. Does that sink in at all?

THEN those who do not rebel are added upon. This is where they are sent to a world where exalted parents will finish all the hosts thereof as commanded to do so by God in multiplying and replenishing the world that they were given. This was Adam and Eve for us. They were the exalted couple resurrected to eternal lives and given a world and in the image or glory of God commanded to obey God and have a host of children, BEFORE there was flesh upon the earth. See the precise chronology of creation scriptures.

In that Pre-mortal life we were assigned sexual differentiation. Those who accepted this and spent their time wisely assimilating this gift learning line upon line and precept upon precept and yielding their hearts to this would be all the wiser for it.

Anywise, now we are here and all the devils who rebelled never were added upon with spiritual bodies from the seed propagated after the resurrection by exalted parents. They never were gender assigned. They probably did not want it and this was their greater motivation for skipping out on the entire plan. I could tell you why but would you hear it.

[_Redefined]

Sexual differentiation is AFTER being born by way of seeds which is the combination of male and female.

This is what I believe too. If we did exist as spirits it just makes more sense that they would be genderless or "ultimate potential", and when we die, we return to that genderless state of existence or "dual-gendered", carrying with us the life experience of being a female/male. (I like to believe in reincarnation too, where we have multiple life experiences as both male and female.)

Granted that this all is true, that is a glimpse into my mind of a tiny part of what the afterlife entails.

[_Nightlion]

It all hinges on what is defined as "apostacy".

All the LDS leadership could renounce their callings and go down to Spanish Fork and dance with the Harri Krishnas, throwing clouds of smoke all over themselves and sip port with Zeez and NEVER in all their apostasy be eligible for SOP judgment. WHY?

Because NONE of them have been visited of the Father and wrought upon and cleansed by the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. How do I know? Because they have not taught it slightly in all my life. That means that they do not know about it from exact experience or they would have been all about it like Alma the Younger, fully consumed upon the point for their great anxiety over the welfare of the people. Kind of like me.

I do not think there is 1 on the books Mormon alive who is qualified to commit blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. Relax all.

[_Nightlion]

Sexual differentiation is AFTER being born by way of seeds which is the combination of male and female.

This is what I believe too. If we did exist as spirits it just makes more sense that they would be genderless or "ultimate potential", and when we die, we return to that genderless state of existence or "dual-gendered", carrying with us the life experience of being a female/male. (I like to believe in reincarnation too, where we have multiple life experiences as both male and female.)

Granted that this all is true, that is a glimpse into my mind of a tiny part of what the afterlife entails.

Well, Re. I believe that we were born to parents in the pre-mortal world. The time we had there was to assimilate the gift of gender. Those who at heart refused that gift come here in a confused state.
There might be an advantage that motivated some to refuse the gift if they figured that they would fail at eternal life, keeping as much of their fulness of light and truth which comprehends both genders might be an advantage of higher intellectual ability when after the resurrection they have their bodies handed to them without the power of procreation. That has got to open up some thoughts.

My only though of reincarnation is on the entire loop of eternity scale when you are forced to the second death (back into the light of truth having all the gifts of God taken from you) or you opt out and volunteer for the second death thinking you might improve your position by trying again. The former is a given but the latter is problematic. I do not know enough to speak to it other than stating the possibility.

I do not believe in multiple mortal probation.

[_Joseph]

I know of no stories that state that either have appeared to women,

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Better re-read your Bible where it gives the account of who Jesus appeared to after his resurrection.

[_Nightlion]

I know of no stories that state that either have appeared to women,

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Better re-read your Bible where it gives the account of who Jesus appeared to after his resurrection.

I do not mean an outright theophany of the Father and the Son. By visited of the Father I mean by his power in the gospel regeneration of the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost.