Will Schryver wrote:And, I never suggested that Burton didn't shoot Morris, but that is a fundamentally different thing than being guilty of "murder," isn't it?
A flag of surrender was understood back then. Common decency would dictate not shooting the prisoners in the face. Shooting the woman who protested this needless killing only further cemented the wrongness of the act on the part Elder Burton. If murder is too strong of term, then two counts of first degree homicide might sound more acceptable.
Stemelbow wrote:Well I don't know maybe Bishop Burton knows what happened more than any of us. maybe he has some other sources that tell a completely different story.
Maybe so. Why don't you do a little digging? Of the 500-1000 men backing up Burton, didn't anyone think the incident journal-worthy? What about the trial transcripts? Newspaper reports? What was Burton's side of the story? If there's any justification of this incident, why not put it up here instead of offering "maybe this and maybe that."
Bishop Burton doesn't need to worry about the facts of the story. What he does know is that 99.99% of his listeners are going to accept his talk at face value.
The person who is certain and who claims divine warrant for his certainty belongs now to the infancy of our species. Christopher Hitchens
Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. Frater
Will Schryver wrote:Too bad you weren't around then. They could have pasted that nickel on your forehead and Porter Rockwell could have shot a hole through it at 100 paces.
Will: If you found yourself in a position wherein you could kill an apostate from Mormonism and you had an ironclad guarantee that you would get away with it, would you do it?
Absolutely not. I prefer for them to live with their shame and then possess it in full at the final judgment.
Dr. Shades wrote:
Will Schryver wrote:And, I never suggested that Burton didn't shoot Morris, but that is a fundamentally different thing than being guilty of "murder," isn't it?
Please explain how Burton's cold-blooded killings don't qualify as murder.
I will do so as soon as you explain how the slaughter of George Pickett's division at Gettysburg was not murder.
I thought myself the wiser to have viewed the evidence left of such a great demise. I followed every step. But the only thing I ever learned before the journey's end was there was nothing there to learn, only something to forget.
Will Schryver wrote:And, I never suggested that Burton didn't shoot Morris, but that is a fundamentally different thing than being guilty of "murder," isn't it?
Please explain how Burton's cold-blooded killings don't qualify as murder.
You should read scripture more. If God wants you to do it, it isn't murder/adultery/bank fraud. You'd know that if you still had the Spirit like Schryver does. And sometimes God would send you secret messages in your sleep. Wouldn't that be cool?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Absolutely not. I prefer for them to live with their shame and then possess it in full at the final judgment.
I will do so as soon as you explain how the slaughter of George Pickett's division at Gettysburg was not murder.
Mormon moral relativism strikes again, although I'm not sure why you think anyone will run into trouble with George Pickett. As smokescreens go, that's pretty weak.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Chap wrote:And sometimes God would send you secret messages in your sleep. Wouldn't that be cool?
All fulfillment of prophecy is "cool," as far as I'm concerned:
Joel 2
28 ... I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions ...
I thought myself the wiser to have viewed the evidence left of such a great demise. I followed every step. But the only thing I ever learned before the journey's end was there was nothing there to learn, only something to forget.
Chap wrote:And sometimes God would send you secret messages in your sleep. Wouldn't that be cool?
All fulfillment of prophecy is "cool," as far as I'm concerned:
Joel 2
28 ... I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions ...
Again, please keep your nocturnal emissions to yourself.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.