Apostates understand Mormonism better than Mormons

[_Buffalo]

The argument is in the OP is not well thought out, but I would expect apostates* on average to know more simply because apostasy often involves a more intense examination of the faith before it occurring.

*I'd define an apostate as leaving more than nominal belief, and I think that's important for my guess.

That makes far more sense. But, sadly, I don't think that's necessarily true either. Afterall DCP obviously knows more than Buffalo--the depth of the chasm between the two can by itself make up any deficiencies any ignorant TBM has. This was meant to be fun-loving teasing of Buffalo and nothing more. But I do question whether EA's conclusion is true, even if it can come off as reasonable.

I don't contend that apostates know more facts necessarily. Just that we understand Mormonism better precisely because we are, to use Stem's word, not myopic. We have binocular vision, while TBMs are stuck with parascopes.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

The argument is in the OP is not well thought out, but I would expect apostates* on average to know more simply because apostasy often involves a more intense examination of the faith before it occurring.

*I'd define an apostate as leaving more than nominal belief, and I think that's important for my guess.

That makes far more sense. But, sadly, I don't think that's necessarily true either. Afterall DCP obviously knows more than Buffalo--the depth of the chasm between the two can by itself make up any deficiencies any ignorant TBM has. This was meant to be fun-loving teasing of Buffalo and nothing more. But I do question whether EA's conclusion is true, even if it can come off as reasonable.

I don't think that is particularly obvious.

[Guest]

But it does. I was where you are now two years ago.

That simply is not true, Buffalo. You have never been where I am. You don't' even know where I am to make the conclusion.

Have you been in my place?

Of course not.

Your view is not wider than mine. To think you know my view at all smacks of a myopic outlook, sadly.

Of course I know your view. It's no mystery. I simply read what you're saying, which is representative of your view.

Even more important, I understand the position of faith that you hold. I understand you still believe pretty strongly, but your belief is more nuanced than someone like, say, Nehor. I've been both of you. You've never been me.

You keep using the word myopia, but I don't think that's the word you mean. You probably mean to say presumptuous. I'm presumptuous because I think I know what it's like to be in your stage of faith. Right?

[_stemelbow]

I don't contend that apostates know more facts necessarily. Just that we understand Mormonism better precisely because we are, to use Stem's word, not myopic. We have binocular vision, while TBMs are stuck with parascopes.

I think it can be argued that many ex-LDS never got it in the first place and that's why they left. As it is, you simply aren't right because you make the statement.

[_Yoda]

What about those of us like Jason, myself, Harmony, Moksha, and Rollo?

We are all active members of the Church, but have taken a step back, and are not afraid to disagree with aspects of LDS culture and doctrine?

[_stemelbow]

Of course I know your view. It's no mystery. I simply read what you're saying, which is representative of your view.

then, I know your view just teh same. Of course i never stuck you on ignore so that means I know your view even more than you know mine, according to your logic.

Even more important, I understand the position of faith that you hold. I understand you still believe pretty strongly, but your belief is more nuanced than someone like, say, Nehor. I've been both of you. You've never been me.

You've never been me. Nice try, though.

[_stemelbow]

What about those of us like Jason, myself, Harmony, Moksha, and Rollo?

We are all active members of the Church, but have taken a step back, and are not afraid to disagree with aspects of LDS culture and doctrine?

yeah, what Liz said.

Why am I not included in your list? harumph!

[_Buffalo]

I don't contend that apostates know more facts necessarily. Just that we understand Mormonism better precisely because we are, to use Stem's word, not myopic. We have binocular vision, while TBMs are stuck with parascopes.

I think it can be argued that many ex-LDS never got it in the first place and that's why they left. As it is, you simply aren't right because you make the statement.

That's a TBM defense mechanism, and it's incredibly arrogant. Of course we got it. I believed, all the way, 100%, ten years ago. I got it. To think that anyone who disagrees with you only because they don't understand your position is fallacious. It takes humility to realize that an intelligent person can completely understand your position, and then reject it. Be humble, Stem. Don't pull a Wade on me. You're smarter than that.

[_stemelbow]

I don't think that is particularly obvious.

just a joke. No harm no foul. Buffalo can take it.

[Guest]

Of course I know your view. It's no mystery. I simply read what you're saying, which is representative of your view.

then, I know your view just the same. Of course i never stuck you on ignore so that means I know your view even more than you know mine, according to your logic.

Even more important, I understand the position of faith that you hold. I understand you still believe pretty strongly, but your belief is more nuanced than someone like, say, Nehor. I've been both of you. You've never been me.

You've never been me. Nice try, though.

But I don't just know your view from reading it. I know it from having experienced the same thing as you. Thought the same thoughts.