Spurven Ten Sing wrote:Stop being reasonable, jackass!
Don't worry, I'm sure a thread will start up critiquing something about the LDS religion, and as I offer defenses, anything but reasonable will be the primary word to describe my posts, smilers(;
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
stemelbow wrote: That makes far more sense. But, sadly, I don't think that's necessarily true either. Afterall DCP obviously knows more than Buffalo--the depth of the chasm between the two can by itself make up any deficiencies any ignorant TBM has. This was meant to be fun-loving teasing of Buffalo and nothing more. But I do question whether EA's conclusion is true, even if it can come off as reasonable.
DCP is one of the chief apologists for the LDS Church. He is one of the least apt illustrative examples you could've picked. A rough equivalent to him would be a Brent Metcalfe type, and even then not really. But that's not where the comparison is going to average out. It's going to be faithful LDS in the pews vs. once faithful, but now apostates. People like DCP and Metcalfe are outliers.
EAllusion wrote:DCP is one of the chief apologists for the LDS Church. He is one of the least apt illustrative examples you could've picked. A rough equivalent to him would be a Brent Metcalfe type, and even then not really. But that's not where the comparison is going to average out. It's going to be faithful LDS in the pews vs. once faithful, but now apostates. People like DCP and Metcalfe are outliers.
I know...that's why I said I was joking. Anyway, interesting thought you offered in yoru initial post, but I'm not sure its true. I guess we can all hope, huh?
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Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Themis wrote: I think Buffalo is talking about the apostate, someone who knows the church fairly well before leaving. Not your convert who leaves after a period of weeks or months which probably makes up most converts, or those who grew up in the church but left early on in life.
That's why I put the caveat in. I didn't mean to count people who were a baseball baptism or were once Mormon in the same way I was once Lutheran. And while I'm not counting past nominal belief or cultural identity as apostate, I'm also not imagining my comparison against active LDS whose belief is a nominal, going through the motions a few times a year sort.
stemelbow wrote: There are plenty of folks who leave after many years of being LDS who don't seem to get it. I didn't have new converts in mind when I said that, but you add them to the mix and your statement seems even more wrong.
But he has already clarified that he did not include them. There may be some members who leave after many years who did not know as much as the average Mormon, but the discussion is really about the apostate who does know more, so we should limit the discussion to that now that you have had a clarification from Buffalo.
Buffalo wrote:Yes, that's what I mean. I don't mean the many people who are baptised later in life and then leave a month later.
There are plenty of folks who leave after many years of being LDS who don't seem to get it. I didn't have new converts in mind when I said that, but you add them to the mix and your statement seems even more wrong.
Like who?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
I just feel that, once again, a group is painted with too large of a brush stroke.
I don't think that you can blanketly state that all active Church members have a blind spot when it comes to issues that are wrong with the Church. That is simply not true. Of course, there is a segment that does.
But part of the reason that this board is successful is that members who are fully vested in the Church can discuss issues which are not necessarily cohesive.