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why me wrote:

Buffalo wrote:
Did they learn that Smith married the wives of other men and 14 year old girls?

I suppose that they could if the teacher wishes to teach it. I see no instructions in not to teach it. I think that it depends on the instructor. Critics assume that sex was involved and that Joseph Smith was a pervert. And yet, the two young girls that were sealed to Joseph Smith were faithful members of the lds church until their deaths. And both went to Utah after Joseph Smith was murdered.

They could, but you and I both know that they won't.

As far as the teenagers who were molested by Joseph Smith go, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Infymus wrote:The fact of the matter is that the church does in fact continue to hide AND omit information about the history of the church. Mormon Apologists continue to attack those that loose their faith while defending the cult at all costs.

You can see the exact same behavior from Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologists, too.

Infymus wrote:
I want to see a current Ensign article that shows Joseph Smith and his polygamous affairs. I want to see ALL of his wives in there including their ages. Why won't the Mormon Church do this? Oh yeah, because some things that are true aren't very useful.

I wish that the ensign would go back in time to when it did have such articles. But now the focus is different. I don't think that the lds church hides it. It is just not mentioned. The focus is different now and the ensign has become a little boring.

I don't see why the church would hide Joseph Smith's polygamy. I see nothing wrong in his polygamy and I could do a good job in mentioning it in seminary and give a good explanation.

why me wrote:
I wish that the ensign would go back in time to when it did have such articles. But now the focus is different. I don't think that the lds church hides it. It is just not mentioned. The focus is different now and the ensign has become a little boring.

I don't see why the church would hide Joseph Smith's polygamy. I see nothing wrong in his polygamy and I could do a good job in mentioning it in seminary and give a good explanation.

Not mentioning IS hiding it.

Let's say Tommy Monson sends you on an assignment far away, in another part of the country. While you're gone, he hooks up with your wife. Would you be cool with that?

why me wrote:

sock puppet wrote:Riddle me this, why doesn't the Church include these facts in the manuals for Church history years? Why don't the GAs talk about it at GC? Why is it that someone can spend his entire life in Mormonism, become a bishop of a Mormon ward, be able to think and write with the eloquence that exhibits from his resignation letter and not know these things--unless the Church is hiding it?

Oh my gosh, I just stated that the accounts of the first vision have been in the ensign. The former bishop could have checked the search engine of the ensign to see if such articles existed. My daughter learned of polygamy in seminary. She knows about it. He could have asked his children if they are youth or young adults now.

Did she learn of girls as young as 14? Two sisters on the same afternoon? Did the seminary teacher explain how polyandry is somehow consistent with the Book of Mormon saying multiple wives will only be allowed when necessary to raise up a righteous seed? Did they tell her in seminary that JSJr married one of the wives of his Apostles that he'd sent away on a mission to the Holy Land?

Does the Ensign article explain why elohim's presense at the first vision was so uneventful to JSJr he left it out of the account for years and years?

Get a grip, why me. You're just a tool of the Bureaucracy known as the Brethren.

why me wrote:Oh my gosh, I just stated that the accounts of the first vision have been in the ensign. The former bishop could have checked the search engine of the ensign to see if such articles existed. My daughter learned of polygamy in seminary. She knows about it. He could have asked his children if they are youth or young adults now.

Cracks me up. Bishop doesn't know multiple first visions. But if Bishop did know about multiple first visions, Bishop could have searched the ensign for multiple first visions.

You go around in circles so fast Why Me, I'll bet anything you could kiss your own ass.

why me wrote:Critics assume that sex was involved and that Joseph Smith was a pervert. And yet, the two young girls that were sealed to Joseph Smith were faithful members of the lds church until their deaths.

why me, I have refrained from commenting on your bizarre posts (mainly because others on here are doing a great job of proving you wrong on every point), but this one is astounding (if you mean what it appears you mean).

Please, please do not tell me that you believe Joseph Smith never consummated his more than 30 known "marriages" (And also, please tell me you know that he married more than just "two young girls")!!

If not, then you cannot possibly criticize Bishop Bloor for not knowing all about the true church history since you obviously have missed much of it yourself.

Madison54 wrote:
why me, I have refrained from commenting on your bizarre posts (mainly because others on here are doing a great job of proving you wrong on every point), but this one is astounding (if you mean what it appears you mean).

Please, please do not tell me that you believe Joseph Smith never consummated his more than 30 known "marriages" (And also, please tell me you know that he married more than just "two young girls")!!

If not, then you cannot possibly criticize Bishop Bloor for not knowing all about the true church history since you obviously have missed much of it yourself.

Bishop Bloor stated that the church hides its history based on him not knowing about the accounts of the first vision. I showed where these accounts are mentioned in the ensign. These accounts are not hidden. Second, someone mentioned 14 year old girls. To my knowledge there could have been two. And it these girls that remained faithful to the lds church all their lives. And yes, there is no proof that he had sex with them. That was my point. Why do you think that Joseph was sealed to so many women within a two year period? For sex? Joseph would often ask the relative of the women he was going to ask to be sealed to. He also explained he principle of plural marriage to the relatives. I don't think that he was in it for the sex.

I can't read a sealed blog post. How'd you all go find some passwords to read it? I don't think I'm willing.

I liked this part:

When faith in the unseen is replaced with indisputable evidence to the contrary, faith becomes redundant and, in fact, becomes a pleasant, if fanciful, myth.

When faith is replaced, it still exists and becomes something? I don't even get it. Yep, sounds like Sock puppet to me.

Anyway, I wish this steve dude the best.

Infymus wrote:
Cracks me up. Bishop doesn't know multiple first visions. But if Bishop did know about multiple first visions, Bishop could have searched the ensign for multiple first visions.

You go around in circles so fast Why Me, I'll bet anything you could kiss your own ass.

If I do not know something about the catholic church, does that mean that the catholic church is hiding it or does it mean that i haven't found the information yet? In the bishop's case, it just meant that he didn't find the information since it was in the ensign.