Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_beastie]

I should probably note that I have expressed a private apology to KA for this whole black dress business. As I told her in that PM, if indeed the photo she posted of herself in a black dress was the same black dress she wore to the Exmormon Foundation 2006 Conference, then I have, all along, been mistaking her for someone else. The exceedingly inebriated woman I observed at the Exmo conference was most definitely not attired in the rather modest dress that KA modeled in the photo she posted. The blonde exmo lush I saw was sporting a spaghetti-strap cocktail dress out of which she was spilling in all directions.

But moving on …

How generous of you. You offer KA a private apology after publicly insinuating she was dressed like a porn star and was a whore.

[_Jason Bourne]

It is a blatant lie. I have never used that revolting term, in any setting, in my entire life.

So I will give you the benefit of the doubt for a moment. How does this absolve you from the plethora of other hideous things you have said? As an LDS priesthood holder you should be ashamed and embarrassed for your behavior. As one who is proud to defend the LDS Church you should do better. Yet you seem proud of the comments and have said that what you said was calculated and intentional. You have no shame or hint of setting things right.

So what of it Will? Can you do better? Can you apologize? If not D&C 121 man and Amen to your priesthood authority.

[_beastie]

I admit that, on occasions, I have referred to Will as “Wee Willie”. I did so with the intent to strike back as one sometimes does with a bully. You see, I believe Will is an internet bully, particularly to women, but also to certain men. I foolishly thought, for a while, that if I fought back, and called the man who kept referring to me as “bitchie” and “beastlie” as “wee willie” that he might back off. Of course he didn’t, so it was a foolish effort on my part. But, judging from his reaction, I’d say it did get under his skin. And my rather mild attempt at retribution is no excuse for his own behavior, which long preceded and post-dated my own attempt to fight back.

[_Jason Bourne]

The more I have considered the extended implications of these latest developments, the more I have come to appreciate the rather welcome—albeit rather unexpected—ineptitude manifest in this extraordinary strategic blunder.

Thank you, MsJack. And thank you, harmony.

Had you all been content to stick with the verifiable truth, you might have hoped to convince a few more of the “much-holier-than-thou” among us (Hodges, Bokovoy, et al.) that Will Schryver has been, on rare occasions, a PG-13-rated “naughty boy” who has not shown compunction to employ oblique innuendo and ambiguous double entendre in his repertoire of message board rhetorical devices.

But, of course, you weren’t content with that.

No, consumed by an overwhelming desire to silence my clarion voice, you knew that quotes of my actual words—even exaggerated, misrepresented, and otherwise taken out of context—were not sufficient to support your allegations that I am the evil misogynist monster of LDS apologetics. To do that, you needed to produce from your sleeve (as it were) a fifth ace. And so MsJack, harmony (and others?) conspired to add a new, overwhelmingly incriminating charge to the otherwise rather old, stale, and insufficiently inculpatory list of my “transgressions” that has been trotted out from time to time over the course of the past few years.

Oh, to be sure, there have been other false allegations over the years. MsJack even picks up on one that had legs for a while, until it was finally abandoned after my having repeatedly demanded an original reference for it:

In fairness to William, some community members have attributed statements to him that he never said. For example, William did not say, "I'm married to the kind of woman you have to masturbate to;" that was Kevin Graham (10/25/10).

This isn’t the only time I have had statements attributed to me that have no basis in anything I actually said. Not hardly. It has, in fact, been the rule rather than the exception. Schryver, the Caricature has long since assumed the stature of historical reality in these precincts. Therefore, I suppose I shouldn’t be all that surprised that the desire to add to the myth continues unabated.


That said, I must admit I was somewhat perplexed by the fact that it was MsJack who volunteered to take up the torch (and pitchfork) and thereby taint forevermore her treasured (though illusory, as DCP discovered not long ago) reputation for “objectivity.”

That the ever dissonant “harmony” has chosen to become complicit in this nefarious scheme is merely a sad but rather predictable extension of her long-recognized talent for extreme hypocrisy. But, then again, as much as beastlie and liz might desire to exact some revenge for what they view as my offenses against them, I don’t really believe either one of them would have stooped as low as harmony has, and still managed to retain any sense of self-respect. That appears to have not been much of an impediment for harmony.

At any rate, the deed is now done, and there is no erasing it from the annals of The Great and Spacious Trailer Park©.

Instead of the desired objective of, once and for all, impugning me such that (in fulfillment of your fondest dreams) I would be permanently repudiated by powers you imagine sufficient to silence me, all you have done is permanently cover with disrepute your entire propagandistic enterprise.

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

Just as Trevor’s “Silence Schryver” gambit ultimately failed in its objective and only served to dispel the mirage of his own false reputation, so now has MsJack chosen to break herself on the same stone. Of course, maybe it’s for the best. Now she can, deprived of any further pretensions to moral superiority, shamelessly join the rest of the GSTP women in the infamous “Goddess Suite” for a raucous session of suggestive excess.

Still not one bit of humility. Like I said I will give you the denial of that nasty, nasty. Still does not excuse the other stuff. You may claim you are misrepresented but we all have watched you and the words the Ms Jack posted here are not taken out of context.

Why not just admit you acted badly and apologize, move on and behave better. You can do it. You are a bright fellow. Just change. If your star is rising in the LDS apologetic world it would be a good thing for you to do. Remember, D&C 121. Really. It won't hurt.

[_Will Schryver]

It is a blatant lie. I have never used that revolting term, in any setting, in my entire life.

It's the truth and not a lie, if you notice on that thread, I responded 2 minutes later with this:

u mad willard?

I said this, because you used that word. I figured you were flustered because you skipped your usual tortured English prose and went straight for the C-word.

LOL!

Multiple suborned witnesses.

Sold souls = 3

Who's next? I'm just dying to see who will join the club.

[Guest]

Will's baseless attack on MsJack just furthers his shameless tradition of attacking women.

Let me here level a shameless attack on the baseless attacks of MsJack and the shameless Red Kevin Graham on Will, who's scholarly contributions to Book of Abraham apologetics, up to this point, have led to baseless attacks by shameless people (some doubtless wearing little black dresses, while others here would no doubt opt for the classic Che Guavera T-shirt or "Free Mumia" baseball cap) on his character in shameless and baseless ways that would shame anyone who wasn't shameless and equally shame anyone who wasn't baseless. These baseless attacks are all, of course, a great diversionary exercise in both character assassination (the forté of the Trailerpark) and - what is the primary shameless point of such baseless attacks - the shameless and baseless attempt to shamelessly divert attention from the baseless attempts by the shameless long haired dope smoking, maggot infested, commie-pinko, FM type, NPR voiced, Birkenstock wearing, roach clip kissing, little black dress wearing intellectual hacks, poseurs, and shameless anti-Mormon bigots that inhabit this board and who have been so flummoxed, folded, spindled, and mutilated by Will's efforts in defending and testifying (the real bothersome aspect, I have little doubt) of the authenticity of the Book of Abraham, that the absence of intellectual substance left to them by their own shameless lack of knowledge and serious, intellectually honest study of the Book of Abraham and the questions surrounding it, have left them no recourse but baseless ad hominem slander, to blacken Will's character and baselessly impugn him as a person in public

That a feminist wolverine (how's that for shameless mysogyny?) like MsJack would term whatever negative comments Will has made about certain woman of the anti-LDS bent as misogynist (a term carrying significant ideological weight far beyond criticism of what may have been improper jabs at females, thought it is not at all clear to me, from a perusal of the relevant material, that Will ever had anything like the claimed motives in mind in any of the cases mentioned), is testament to her own shameless motives.

If I've left anything out anywhere, within the context of either the shameless or the baseless, please let me know.

MsJack has every reason to believe those who testify against Will, and she showed that Will has a habit of vehemently denying having said things, only to have him forced to admit it after the evidence is thrown in his face.

She has motives, yes...

Between the two of them, MsJack is the only one who hasn't a reputation for lying and deceiving,

Nor does Will, that I've ever seen, unlike some other people around here...

and all she is doing is relying on eye-witness testimony by those who remember the original post, and of course, it is hardly inconsistent with Will's obvious hatred towards women.

Anecdotal calumny. Yeah, great Kevin...and just your style.

His wife and daughter ought to be ashamed of their husband and father, as I'm sure they will be if they ever come across this information.

Just wait until your comrades in Shining Path find out you work for a living.

It is also telling that Will has to attack MsJack for having motivations other than what she stated.

Of course she does, or she wouldn't have used the provocative and ideologically weighted term misogyny to describe comments Will made about specific woman he didn't like.

Apparently, it is beyond his ability to reason, that another female poster could possibly be disgusted with his vicious comments towards other women,

You speaking of "vicious comments" (where, by the way, do you find this viciousness?) in the negative, as if it somehow offends you, is rather like the Marquis de Sade attempting to teach abstinence education.

You do make a wonderful, if tragic, court jester Kevin.

[_Buffalo]

LOL!

Multiple suborned witnesses.

Sold souls = 3

Who's next? I'm just dying to see who will join the club.

http://institute.lds.org/manual/doctrin ... -001-5.asp

D&C 5:11–14 . The Lord’s Use of Witnesses

Paul taught the principle that “in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established” ( 2 Corinthians 13:1 ). President Joseph Fielding Smith said of this law: “In giving the world the testimony of three witnesses in addition to Joseph Smith, the Lord fulfilled the law. We are called upon in this life to walk by faith, not by sight, not by the proclamation of heavenly messengers with the voice of thunder, but by the proclamation of accredited witnesses whom the Lord sends and by whom every word shall be established.” ( Church History and Modern Revelation, 1:40.)

[_Droopy]

This is, I believe, one of the most important and powerful threads that has ever appeared on any of the messageboards. It is historic insofar as it has the potential to permanently alter the foreseeable Mopologetic landscape.

This is an utterly inconsequential and obscure message board that will never alter the intellectual landscape of anything, anywhere. You and people like Kevin Graham may be legends in your own minds here, but outside the Trailerpark, you are just as intellectually unimportant and inconsequential as this board itself.

Of course, most of us already were well-versed in Schryver's particular brand of Mormon misogyny, but this thread has permanently cemented the sad reality into documentary fact. Kudos to MsJack for assembling this devastating and unassailable series of posts.

One can say any number of negative things about woman one does not like without being a mysogynist (this is, if it has not been noticed already, the feminist corollary to being called a "homophobe" for disagreement with the practice and lifestyle of homosexuality, a "denier" for dissent from the ideological orthodoxy on AGW, or being termed "anti-woman" for disagreeing with convenience abortion on demand).

Its doing nothing more than what both secular leftists and traditional anti-Mormons (which, when combined, gives you a particularly vicious animal) have always done when they feel cornered and sufficiently threatened - label their target as a witch and start gathering the firewood.

It will be *very* interesting to see how things play out in the coming months.

More than likely, no one outside this little Harper Valley PTA of a message board, and a few other equally obscure venues, will give a single damn.

I predict one of two things will happen:

I predict two of two things will not happen:

1. No one will likely ever give a crap what anonymous intellectual hacks like MsJack, Beastie, and yourself say about the very unanonymous Will Schryver.

2. You will not divulge the nature of your advanced degrees, or where you purchased..uh, obtained them.

[_MrStakhanovite]

No one will likely ever give a crap what anonymous intellectual hacks like MsJack...

Excellent example. Stay sharp.

[_Droopy]

No one will likely ever give a crap what anonymous intellectual hacks like MsJack...

Excellent example. Stay sharp.

Oh, forgive me for leaving you out Stak. Jack is just a rather typical secular leftist anti-Mormon with the standard prejudices and bigotries. I admit, no need for the "hack" designation in her case.