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why me wrote:

Buffalo wrote:
I would say avoid having sex until you are in a committed, loving, long-term relationship and are a legal adult - and yes, use protection.

I think any guilt-based religion has the potential to cause harm to young people.

And it is here that your secular based Mormonism is influencing you. Most teenagers do not bother to think about such things and parents seem to have very little say in the matter. For teenagers, when they feel 'love', they usually have sex. And every relationship is long term until it ends in a month or two.

Parents who were never religious would probably give similar advice to their kids. This is an example of your Mormon superiority complex acting up - even though you're not really much of a Mormon. My advice, by the way, would sound terrible to a real Mormon. Real Mormons think that having sex even an hour before marriage is the sin next to death, even though legal marriage is not a Christian concept originally.

I don't disagree with you in general - some things about Mormonism have helped me to be a better person. Others not so much.

Baker wrote:
Thank god my parenting doesn't involve raising my daughters in the Mormon church. I am a far better father without that baggage that I would have been by subjecting them to that culture. Your notion that somehow a parent throws all the rules out the window by leaving Mormonism - or that those rules were only Mormon ingrained - is really stupid. One HUGE difference is that the rational for the rules becomes primarily one of best interests, maturity, preserving future options, etc. - rather than "because the church says so".

Let me try this again. You can not separate yourself from the lds church. It still influences your parenting even if it is more secular now. You will not tell your kids to eat, screw and be merry for tomorrow you die. You will give them a Mormon secular influence as far as it will go.

I never said that a parent throws everything out when they leave Mormonism. Just the opposite: they keep many of the values and give these values a secular twist.

Buffalo wrote:
Parents who were never religious would probably give advice similar to their kids. This is an example of your Mormon superiority complex acting up - even though you're not really much of a Mormon.
I don't disagree with you in general - some things about Mormonism have helped me to be a better person. Others not so much.

Drinking, drugs, sex is certainly a problem with teenagers. As is stealing and peer pressure to conform. Being once a Mormon, you are much more prepared to handle these issues and teach your children a good value base because of your former Mormonism. And that was my point.

why me wrote:

Buffalo wrote:
Parents who were never religious would probably give advice similar to their kids. This is an example of your Mormon superiority complex acting up - even though you're not really much of a Mormon.
I don't disagree with you in general - some things about Mormonism have helped me to be a better person. Others not so much.

Drinking, drugs, sex is certainly a problem with teenagers. As is stealing and peer pressure to conform. Being once a Mormon, you are much more prepared to handle these issues and teach your children a good value base because of your former Mormonism. And that was my point.

And probably more inclined to induce undue guilt. With the "good" comes the baggage.

why me wrote:

Buffalo wrote:
Parents who were never religious would probably give advice similar to their kids. This is an example of your Mormon superiority complex acting up - even though you're not really much of a Mormon.
I don't disagree with you in general - some things about Mormonism have helped me to be a better person. Others not so much.

Drinking, drugs, sex is certainly a problem with teenagers. As is stealing and peer pressure to conform. Being once a Mormon, you are much more prepared to handle these issues and teach your children a good value base because of your former Mormonism. And that was my point.

You're right. Mormons are the only group concerned with keeping kids away from sex and drugs. Good call.

sock puppet wrote:
Just because one rejects your beloved Church of Guilt Infliction does not mean that their kids have to rubber up at 15 for guiltless sex--or engage in your 'light cotton' conduct.

Here is my point: exmormons can not divorce themselves from their Mormon influence. They may turn their Mormon influence into a secular value structure but there is still the Mormon influence in how they raise their children.

They do not know just what kind of parents they would have been without the Mormon influence. They may have been good parents but maybe they could have been bad parents.

There is no reason to feel guilt in Mormonism. There is always forgiveness.

sock puppet wrote:And probably more inclined to induce undue guilt. With the "good" comes the baggage.

When a kid steals they should feel guilty for doing something wrong. When a kid hurts someone else, they should feel guilt or remorse. When a child disrespects their parents, they should feel guilt.

It only shows that they know right from wrong and are not sociopaths.

why me wrote:There is no reason to feel guilt in Mormonism.

why me wrote:When a kid steals they should feel guilty for doing something wrong.

Reading whyme's posts gives me the sense that cold porridge is being squirted into my skull - worse, cold contradictory and repetitive porridge. (What a misuse of metaphor ... this is doing me no kind of good.)

He goes onto 'ignore'. My sanity demands it.

why me wrote:

There is no reason to feel guilt in Mormonism. There is always forgiveness.

How would you know? You were never a real Mormon.

why me wrote:

sock puppet wrote:And probably more inclined to induce undue guilt. With the "good" comes the baggage.

When a kid steals they should feel guilty for doing something wrong. When a kid hurts someone else, they should feel guilt or remorse. When a child disrespects their parents, they should feel guilt.

It only shows that they know right from wrong and are not sociopaths.

When they rub one out in the privacy of their bedroom they should not be made to feel like deep, dark dirty sinners under Satan's influence.