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Journal of Discourses

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 12:13 pm
by _Joseph
Who actually published the Journal of Discourses? Was it a publication of the LDS church at the time or an independent outfit like Seagull today?

Re: Journal of Discourses

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 12:17 pm
by _jon
'The Journal of Discourses is not an official publication of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a compilation of sermons and other materials from the early years of the Church, which were transcribed and then published. It includes practical advice as well as doctrinal discussion, some of which is speculative in nature and some of which is only of historical interest.'
<current statement on LDS.org>

Although 'back in the day' The First Presidency did officially endorse it...
“Dear Brethren—It is well known to many of you, that Elder George D. Watt, by our counsel, spent much time in the midst of poverty and hardships to acquire the art of reporting in Phonography [shorthand], which he has faithfully and fully accomplished; and he has been reporting the public Sermons, Discourses, Lectures delivered by the Presidency, the Twelve, and others in this city, for nearly two years, almost without fee or reward. Elder Watt now proposes to publish a Journal of these reports, in England, for the benefit of the Saints at large, and to obtain means to enable him to sustain his highly useful position of Reporter. You will perceive at once that this will be a work of mutual benefit, and we cheerfully and warmly request your cooperation in the purchase and sale of the above named Journal, and wish all the profits arising therefrom to be under the control of Elder Watt.” (Signed by Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, and Willard Richards.)
'I Have A Question' Gerald E. Jones, director, LDS Institute of Religion, Berkeley, California
<Quote also taken off LDS.org>

So...it was official and now it's not official - clear now...?

Re: Journal of Discourses

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 1:48 pm
by _Simon Belmont
Joseph wrote:Who actually published the Journal of Discourses? Was it a publication of the LDS church at the time or an independent outfit like Seagull today?



Ever heard of Google?

Re: Journal of Discourses

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:58 pm
by _malkie
jon wrote:'The Journal of Discourses is not an official publication of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a compilation of sermons and other materials from the early years of the Church, which were transcribed and then published. It includes practical advice as well as doctrinal discussion, some of which is speculative in nature and some of which is only of historical interest.'
<current statement on LDS.org>

Although 'back in the day' The First Presidency did officially endorse it...
“Dear Brethren—It is well known to many of you, that Elder George D. Watt, by our counsel, spent much time in the midst of poverty and hardships to acquire the art of reporting in Phonography [shorthand], which he has faithfully and fully accomplished; and he has been reporting the public Sermons, Discourses, Lectures delivered by the Presidency, the Twelve, and others in this city, for nearly two years, almost without fee or reward. Elder Watt now proposes to publish a Journal of these reports, in England, for the benefit of the Saints at large, and to obtain means to enable him to sustain his highly useful position of Reporter. You will perceive at once that this will be a work of mutual benefit, and we cheerfully and warmly request your cooperation in the purchase and sale of the above named Journal, and wish all the profits arising therefrom to be under the control of Elder Watt.” (Signed by Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, and Willard Richards.)
'I Have A Question' Gerald E. Jones, director, LDS Institute of Religion, Berkeley, California
<Quote also taken off LDS.org>

So...it was official and now it's not official - clear now...?

From the intro to Volume 8:
George Q Cannon (then an apostle) wrote:The Journal of Discourses deservedly ranks as one of the standard works of the Church, and every rightminded saint will certainly welcome with joy every number(issue) as it comes forth.

I know, I know, one apostle saying something one time does not make it so.

But it is an interesting indication of the esteem in which it was held in the 1860s, when it was published.

Re: Journal of Discourses

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:36 pm
by _DarkHelmet
Whether it was "official" or not, does anyone doubt the accuracy of the transcribed words? Since they were endorsed by the apostles at the time, can we assume the transcribed sermons actually occurred more or less as written? That's good enough for me.

Re: Journal of Discourses

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 12:18 am
by _harmony
DarkHelmet wrote:Whether it was "official" or not, does anyone doubt the accuracy of the transcribed words? Since they were endorsed by the apostles at the time, can we assume the transcribed sermons actually occurred more or less as written? That's good enough for me.


Maybe. Or maybe like how the talks sometimes get changed between delivery over the GC pulpit and publishing in the Ensign.

Re: Journal of Discourses

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:41 pm
by _Brackite
The Journal of Discourses:
http://www.journalofdiscourses.org/


The Journal of Discourses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses


The Journal of Discourses - Mere Opinions or Eternal Truth?:
http://mrm.org/journal-of-discourses

Re: Journal of Discourses

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:43 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
Simon Belmont wrote:
Joseph wrote:Who actually published the Journal of Discourses? Was it a publication of the LDS church at the time or an independent outfit like Seagull today?



Ever heard of Google?

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Re: Journal of Discourses

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:54 pm
by _Simon Belmont
Joseph:

Have you ever heard of Google?

Re: Journal of Discourses

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 11:45 pm
by _Simon Belmont
Bump for [personal attack deleted].