jskains wrote:I have always enjoyed the concept behind the movie The Matrix. To me it is a reminder of the fluid nature of reality. Conspiricy Theories exist because we know human limitations and our abilities to be manipulated.
Other examples of interesting mind concepts are The Truman Show (tricking someone through extreme manipulation into believing a false world), Total Recall (was it all part of his "memory vacation" or not), and many Twilight Zone eposides.
It poses an interesting question. If someone creates virtual reality so realistic, you can't tell the difference, once you go into the system, would you ever know from that point forward if you ever escaped? (IE: you being removed from the machine never happens, rather its simulated).
What this brings me to is the deep dark question. Can science itself be manipulated by the Devil and would be know if it was?
This is a troubling question indeed, and jskains follows it through to the end:
jskains wrote:Science has been taking a constantly anti-God position with over 80% of scientists being basically Athiest or Agnostic. The followers of the religion of Science believe it replaces the need for a God. It seems conveniently moving people away from spiritual dependence and giving people an independence from "childish concepts" like God, etc.
Abandonment of a dependence on Heavenly Father is a common theme in many religious texts, expecially the Bible and the Book of Mormon. It seems we are warned against it and have been before Science was even a concern as a threat toward spirituality (removing the idea those passages were added as a safety value for people to say what I am about to say to protect "religion").
It just seems science is conveniently a powerful mechanism that appears to be turning people from God and toward secularism and immortality. Everything the Bible warned us against.
Worse, if Science WAS being driven by the Devil and his influence, would we know? Are we not possibly being lead away from God like lambs to slaughter?
Something to consider.
JMS
http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/543 ... d-science/
This is all very thought-provoking and disturbing. Who but jskains would have ever guessed that Albert Einstain, Jonas Salk, Isaac Newton, Watson & Crick, and V. S. Ramachandran were all tools of the Adversary?
Bearing all this in mind, DCP's old comrade TAO offers up a bit of levity:
TAO wrote:I would say it's the way science is used by opponents of religion, not necessarily science itself.
So that means, I guess, we should put religion before how science is interpreted =).
But jskains won't have any of it:
I think it goes far beyond that. A poll done some time ago (sometime around 2003 I believe), which I am still trying to find, indicated that at least 75% of scientists admitted to doctoring their results to adjust to perceptions and possible loss of grant money. The concern, IMHO, is that a lot of data could be manipulated to prove an agenda in order to acheive a political, or even personal goal which society will never question because for the most part with good media backing, these "facts" go fairly unquestioned.
JMHO.
JMS
From here on out, things just get more and more bizarre. Here's yet another of Lucifer's pawns who dares to try and defend science from the priesthood-influenced revelations of jskains:
Eldwynn wrote:Let me know when you find it. I'm betting you won't because it didn't exist- but I am sure you already knew that.
Science does this thing- its called replication. If your results can't be replicated, it can really damage your career. So unless every scientist has the same agenda (which is a funny concept), this wouldn't make sense at all!
And Skains's response:
Nice. So your method of dialog is to agressively come out swinging, call people liars, and act like a bully without knowing all the facts?
JMS
Later, Skains demonstrates his acute knowledge of Satan's meddling in science and invention:
Satan can create the illusion of good fruit. He has to make it inticing, But like the old monkey's paw story, a lot of technology, for example, has come at a price. The Internet, for example, while doing a lot of good, has also make pornography (including child porography) very accessable.
And:
Has increased the ease of crimes like identify theft, phishing, etc. It has given ugly hate groups a wider audience. It has increased pedophile access to children through internet chat groups. It has made bullying more destructive by allowing people to post hateful things to a larger group. I could go on, but some have wondered if the Internet has caused more social damage than helped.
"Some have wondered"?
Medicine, while going a lot of good, has also come at a price. There are theories that eventually Medicine, by creating superbugs, might end up killing our species.
In any event, those interested can read the thread in its entirety here:
http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/543 ... d-science/