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William Schryver's misogyny vs. God's misogyny in the Bible
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:34 pm
by _malaise
MsJack wrote:wenglund wrote:I can abide free-for-all banter and insults and even a smattering of vulgarities from all parties. But, when a mob coalesces and target's individuals for smearing and character assassinations, this becomes too sick for my blood--regardless who is being targeted.
I will do what I can to try and minimize the dog-pile and lynch-mentality for a time, but when it looks like the wave of hysteria is bent on crashing unmercifully over and over, then I want no part of it, and it is time for me to leave the disgusting spectacle of inhumanity behind.
So, after nearly 60 pages on just one of dozens of threads personally assaulting and abusing Will Scryver over the last several weeks, I have had enough, and will go and take a nice long shower hoping to wash away all the cancerous filth from this board--knowing full well that you all will view yourselves as innocent and the real victimized parties.
Who know if or when I will return.
See you tomorrow!
What do you make of the sexism in the scriptures? Don't you think it is silly to call out this Will character for sexism when the god you claim to worship is himself a very sexist figure?
I said I was done posting in this thread, but I am quite curious about how you will respond. Are you one of those intellectually dishonest people who ignore the "bad" parts of "god's word"?
Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:56 pm
by _MsJack
malaise wrote:What do you make of the sexism in the scriptures? Don't you think it is silly to call out this Will character for sexism when the god you claim to worship is himself a very sexist figure?
I am a member of
Christians for Biblical Equality. I would suggest that you consult any number of our articles and books for information on our take on what the Bible teaches about the sexes. In particular,
Discovering Biblical Equality: Complementarity Without Hierarchy (Downers Grove, Ill.: Intervarsity Press, 2004) edited by Ronald W. Pierce, Rebecca Merrill Groothuis and Gordon D. Fee provides a good overview.
Slaves, Women & Homosexuals: Exploring the Hermeneutics of Cultural Analysis by William J. Webb is also excellent. There are Google Books previews of these volumes
here and
here.
If you want to pursue this topic further, I would suggest starting your own thread on the matter.
Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:04 pm
by _malaise
MsJack wrote:malaise wrote:What do you make of the sexism in the scriptures? Don't you think it is silly to call out this Will character for sexism when the god you claim to worship is himself a very sexist figure?
I am a member of
Christians for Biblical Equality. I would suggest that you consult any number of our articles and books for information on our take on what the Bible teaches about the sexes. In particular,
Discovering Biblical Equality: Complementarity Without Hierarchy (Downers Grove, Ill.: Intervarsity Press, 2004) edited by Ronald W. Pierce, Rebecca Merrill Groothuis and Gordon D. Fee provides a good overview.
Slaves, Women & Homosexuals: Exploring the Hermeneutics of Cultural Analysis by William J. Webb is also excellent. There are Google Books previews of these volumes
here and
here.
If you want to pursue this topic further, I would suggest starting your own thread on the matter.
Sorry, but I'm not interested in a bunch of intellectually dishonest Christians trying to deny what the scriptures clearly say. I have no doubt that you really believe the stuff that they are selling, but the amount of twisted reasoning required to make the Bible egalitarian is absurd and trying to understand their arguments is a waste of my time.
Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:11 pm
by _MsJack
malaise wrote:Sorry, but I'm not interested in a bunch of intellectually dishonest Christians trying to deny what the scriptures clearly say.
Yeah, I thought that would be about your response. You really don't strike me as someone capable of engaging nuanced scholarship on any subject, let alone biblical studies.
malaise wrote:trying to understand their arguments is a waste of my time.
I agree. It sounds like it would be way too much thinking and reading for you.
Why don't you go back to Terrestrial and post more banal threads about 12 year-old Mormon boys having more authority than their mommas and then ignore the polite and thoughtful responses you receive, hmm?
Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:16 pm
by _Pahoran
malaise wrote:Sorry, but I'm not interested in a bunch of intellectually dishonest Christians trying to deny what the scriptures clearly say. I have no doubt that you really believe the stuff that they are selling, but the amount of twisted reasoning required to make the Bible egalitarian is absurd and trying to understand their arguments is a waste of my time.
Malaise,
I am no defender of MsJack, and I also have not much sympathy for the "Biblical equality" crowd. That said, if you're not prepared to engage their POV, then why did you bother to bring it up?
Regards,
Pahoran
Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:22 pm
by _malaise
MsJack wrote:Yeah, I thought that would be about your response. You really don't strike me as someone capable of engaging nuanced scholarship on any subject, let alone biblical studies.
You have a low opinion of me? How will I ever survive????????
I agree. It sounds like it would be way too much thinking and reading for you.
I'm willing to listen to arguments about subjects that haven't already been decided, but I have no interest in reading books about things that are clearly not in dispute. I've read the scriptures and know how sexist they are. I'm not interested in reading a load of crap designed to change the meaning of the texts in question. I will be happy to hear arguments about other subjects. Why don't you start by explaining why you believe in god? Is belief in god rational? If so, why?
Why don't you go back to Terrestrial and post more banal threads about 12 year-old Mormon boys having more authority than their mommas and ignoring the polite and thoughtful responses you receive, hmm?
What response were you looking for? You agreed that he has more authority in the church than his mother, and then tried to downplay the importance of the role played by deacons. After that you said that the priesthood ban is a problem because it prevents women from serving in the higher ranks of the LDS church. Okay. I have no desire to comment on anything you said.
Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:26 pm
by _malaise
Pahoran wrote:malaise wrote:Sorry, but I'm not interested in a bunch of intellectually dishonest Christians trying to deny what the scriptures clearly say. I have no doubt that you really believe the stuff that they are selling, but the amount of twisted reasoning required to make the Bible egalitarian is absurd and trying to understand their arguments is a waste of my time.
Malaise,
I am no defender of MsJack, and I also have not much sympathy for the "Biblical equality" crowd. That said, if you're not prepared to engage their POV, then why did you bother to bring it up?
Regards,
Pahoran
I was curious and wanted to confirm that msjack is in fact part of the group that I mentioned before. I have a small amount of respect for believers who are willing to stick to their beliefs. Intellectual consistency is valuable and should be commended. I have
no respect for believers who ignore the scriptures in favor of wishy washy nonsense that they and liked minded people have invented. The latter group is lying to themselves because they know that they disagree with what scripture teaches, but are too cowardly to abandon their belief in the god of the desert.
Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:33 pm
by _MsJack
malaise wrote:I'm willing to listen to arguments about subjects that haven't already been decided, but I have no interest in reading books about things that are clearly not in dispute.
Please. CBE and
The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood don't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars sparring over this issue every year because "these things are clearly not in dispute." You're just ignorant.
And if you're going to make any more comments on this off-topic subject, start your own thread or I'll ask the moderators to start one for you.
malaise wrote:I will be happy to hear arguments about other subjects. Why don't you start by explaining why you believe in god? Is belief in god rational? If so, why?
Is the "New Post" button not working for you or something? You should really talk to admin about that.
malaise wrote:What response were you looking for? You agreed that he has more authority in the church than his mother, and then tried to downplay the importance of the role played by deacons.
Wow. You really are reading comprehension challenged. This isn't what I wrote in the slightest.
Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:38 pm
by _malaise
MsJack wrote:Please. CBE and The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood don't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars sparring over this issue every year because "these things are clearly not in dispute." You're just ignorant.
They are not in dispute intellectually. One side is clearly right and one side is clearly wrong. I'll let you figure out which is which.
And if you're going to make any more comments on this off-topic subject, start your own thread or I'll ask the moderators to start one for you.
Go ahead. Are you are little bit unhappy with the direction our discussion is headed?
Is the "New Post" button not working for you or something? You should really talk to admin about that.
If I start a new thread, will you post in it? I doubt it.
Wow. You really are reading comprehension challenged. This isn't what I wrote in the slightest.
Well I admit I wasn't paying much attention to you
Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:50 pm
by _MsJack
malaise wrote:MsJack wrote:And if you're going to make any more comments on this off-topic subject, start your own thread or I'll ask the moderators to start one for you.
Go ahead.
Done.
And no, I probably won't be posting further in your threads.