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The Disingenuous 1st Presidency Message For June...
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:47 am
by _jon
Through His authorized servants, He expends the tithes with great care. The tithe payer helps the Lord build temples, where families can be sealed forever. The tithe payer helps Him send the gospel to people everywhere. The tithe payer helps Him relieve hunger and suffering in His own way through His servants. Any of those servants can tell you how love increased because tithing was used to bless people. And so can the faithful tithe payer.
Henry B. Eyring
Anyone care to explain what this means in terms of how tithing is used and why Eyring neglects to point out some of the other uses of tithing?
Re: The Disingenuous 1st Presidency Message For June...
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:21 am
by _DrW
jon wrote:Through His authorized servants, He expends the tithes with great care. The tithe payer helps the Lord build temples, where families can be sealed forever. The tithe payer helps Him send the gospel to people everywhere. The tithe payer helps Him relieve hunger and suffering in His own way through His servants. Any of those servants can tell you how love increased because tithing was used to bless people. And so can the faithful tithe payer.
Henry B. Eyring
Anyone care to explain what this means in terms of how tithing is used and why Eyring neglects to point out some of the other uses of tithing?
Designating this kind of misinformation by the First Presidency as "disingenuous" is being extremely kind.
Don't have time to look up the numbers right now, but it sticks in my mind that the total amount of money spent by the Church on direct relief of "hunger and suffering" is but a few percent of tithing revenues, and amounts to less than two dollars per member per year.
Could it really be that the First Presidency is not aware of how silly this sounds?
Do they not realize that the information that counters this claim is available on the internet for anyone to see?
Do they just expect the members to get a warm feeling when they read this and not check the facts?
(Okay, this last one is probably a realistic expectation on their part.)
Re: The Disingenuous 1st Presidency Message For June...
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:36 am
by _Chap
It is clear that you anti-mormons simply don't have the capacity to read First Presidency messages without your prejudices blinding you to what they are really saying. Now look again, and note the bolded part:
The tithe payer helps Him relieve hunger and suffering in His own way through His servants.
Jesus has
His own way of relieving hunger and suffering.
That way is not to actually give very much by way of cash, food, medical aid etc as a proportion of tithing revenue to those who are hungry and suffering - that would be too, too naïve. The really important thing is to make sure their temple work gets done once they have died, which will help them get to the CK so they can enjoy an eternity of bliss. Much better than just helping them spend longer in the mortality. To do that, most tithing money should be spent on maintaining the religious institutions of the CoJCoLDS at maximum effectiveness.
To do otherwise would be to rely on the arm of flesh, in the dubious form of high-protein biscuits and antibiotics that set priesthood power at nought.
Without the Restored Gospel, you will never understand ...
Re: The Disingenuous 1st Presidency Message For June...
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:05 pm
by _Joseph
Plausible deniability and 'it all depends on what the meaning of the word is, is'?
Re: The Disingenuous 1st Presidency Message For June...
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:55 pm
by _Buffalo
jon wrote:Through His authorized servants, He expends the tithes with great care. The tithe payer helps the Lord build temples, where families can be sealed forever. The tithe payer helps Him send the gospel to people everywhere. The tithe payer helps Him relieve hunger and suffering in His own way through His servants. Any of those servants can tell you how love increased because tithing was used to bless people. And so can the faithful tithe payer.
Henry B. Eyring
Anyone care to explain what this means in terms of how tithing is used and why Eyring neglects to point out some of the other uses of tithing?
If the object is to relieve hunger and suffering, let's all stop paying tithing and give that money to a
legitimate charity.
Re: The Disingenuous 1st Presidency Message For June...
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:57 pm
by _just me
Perhaps he meant that a portion of fast offerings and humanitarian donations go to help feed and clothe the poor.
Re: The Disingenuous 1st Presidency Message For June...
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:19 pm
by _DarkHelmet
Chap wrote:It is clear that you anti-Mormons simply don't have the capacity to read First Presidency messages without your prejudices blinding you to what they are really saying. Now look again, and note the bolded part:
The tithe payer helps Him relieve hunger and suffering in His own way through His servants.
Jesus has
His own way of relieving hunger and suffering.
That way is not to actually give very much by way of cash, food, medical aid etc as a proportion of tithing revenue to those who are hungry and suffering - that would be too, too naïve. The really important thing is to make sure their temple work gets done once they have died, which will help them get to the CK so they can enjoy an eternity of bliss. Much better than just helping them spend longer in the mortality. To do that, most tithing money should be spent on maintaining the religious institutions of the CoJCoLDS at maximum effectiveness.
To do otherwise would be to rely on the arm of flesh, in the dubious form of high-protein biscuits and antibiotics that set priesthood power at nought.
Without the Restored Gospel, you will never understand ...
This is what I thought when I read it. you pay the tithing, and the lord's servants will help the hungry and suffering however they see fit. Maybe before each meeting during the opening prayer they include a line to bless the hungry and suffering people of this world, and to ask for moisture.
Re: The Disingenuous 1st Presidency Message For June...
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:50 pm
by _3sheets2thewind
isn't the title to this thread disingenuous?
The title to the Message is "The Blessings of Tithing" not "Open Books on every Tithing Penny Spent". Now if the title was the later then you might have a claim, but as it stands it appears you straining at a atom and swallowing a universe.
Secondly, why does it bother you so much, that when Eyring mentions tithing, he does not set forth every single minutia of where tithing money goes.
Does it bother me that my tithing goes to BYU, Yep, it does bother me to a degree. Not the hill I want to die on though.
Re: The Disingenuous 1st Presidency Message For June...
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:28 am
by _jon
3sheets2thewind wrote:isn't the title to this thread disingenuous?
The title to the Message is "The Blessings of Tithing" not "Open Books on every Tithing Penny Spent". Now if the title was the later then you might have a claim, but as it stands it appears you straining at a atom and swallowing a universe.
Secondly, why does it bother you so much, that when Eyring mentions tithing, he does not set forth every single minutia of where tithing money goes.
Does it bother me that my tithing goes to BYU, Yep, it does bother me to a degree. Not the hill I want to die on though.
Hi 3 sheets,
I think the statement in bold is disingenuous as it pertains to tithing:
'The tithe payer helps Him relieve hunger and suffering in His own way through His servants.'Can you explain what you think Eyring meant by this?
Re: The Disingenuous 1st Presidency Message For June...
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:46 am
by _Polygamy-Porter
He expends the tithes with great care.
Who the hell is
He?
Jesus? God?
horse crap.
Prove to me that God or Jesus oversee the financial aspects of LDS Inc.
Was it god or Jesus that made the engineering mistake of placing a garden on the roof of the Meganacle?
Thanks to my other big brother, Satan, and through his greatest gift to mankind, the internet, I was given an extra day off and a 10% raise.