Thanks Chris

[_bcspace]

Nemesis,

Your OP not only pointed the finger at specific posters, but also claimed that the entire board supports this kind of behavior. Frankly, I don't see that you have any good reason for the former claim, and you are dead wrong about the latter. Judging from the responses over there, most of us didn't even know this disgusting Juliann meme even existed. And we certainly don't support it.

Sorry to deflate your broadbrush demonization of an entire community of real people. And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

-Chris

Sure you all didn't. More than just a handful were laughing about them. Yes it's always after the fact once the light is on them, they put their best face forward. I'm not standing for it anymore, the line was crossed it's time to fix it.

I appreciate that Chris. I didn't know and still don't know if I should be offended but as always, I chose not to be. I was out of town over the weekend for a relative's baptism and was not accessing the net during that time (too many kids in the hotel pool to lifeguard for). When I came back, I saw all the hullabaloo but discounted it as more of the same and mostly ignored it. However, I have now been reading these threads such as the one referenced above and pinned at MD but it is now closed for comment.

I do indeed occasionally insert myself into these board wars in a small way for one side or the other and I might even make a crass joke from time to time, but I did not even know what memegenerator was until now and I saw that at least in one of them, I was also referenced in lewd and pornographic fashion.

I am not going to kow tow on the other thread by putting my name on a list affirming my disgust to earn brownie points. It should be a given or at least my "lack" of disgust should not be assumed.

Thanks Chris for speaking out for those of us getting hit in the crossfire by what is ostensibly, friendly fire.

[_bcspace]

Chris really, you want to make excuses for them and the culture of that board.

I'm not making excuses for anyone. I unswervingly condemn that kind of behavior.

As for the "culture" of the board, it is like any libertarian culture. Some people abuse their freedom, and some people don't. Like God, Dr. Shades has decided that the benefits of freedom outweigh the costs. I don't entirely approve of his plan of happiness, but then I don't entirely approve of how this board is run, either. No system of government is perfect.

Again, I heartily agree with Chris here. My response to Mudcat in post #12 of that same MD thread would be that various people draw different lines in attempting to follow our Exemplar in Mark 2:17.

[_Morley]

I do indeed occasionally insert myself into these board wars in a small way for one side or the other and I might even make a crass joke from time to time, but I did not even know what memegenerator was until now and I saw that at least in one of them, I was also referenced in lewd and pornographic fashion.

I am not going to kow tow on the other thread by putting my name on a list affirming my disgust to earn brownie points. It should be a given or at least my "lack" of disgust should not be assumed.

I'm inserting myself, here, with a comment that's a little off subject, BC. I rarely agree with you on anything, but you always seem to be a very stand-up guy.

[_moksha]

Perhaps some apologists with cooler heads should try to calm Nemesis down. She might be receptive to some biblical or Book of Mormon analogy wherein some Nephite may have transgressed, but that did not mean all Nephites had transgressed.

Who knows why she champions SGW? Could come from an early childhood fascination with upholding copyright claims of an indeterminate nature. Could come from an allergic reaction to the Santa Ana breeze.

[_bcspace]

I must also say that Ralph Man has it spot on in post #50 and #52

I understand free speech just fine. "Responsibly" feels like an orwellian term for censorship. Words should be fought with words, not restrictions. Of course, I agree with most generally accepted restrictions on speech. I accept the restricting (real) clear and present danger, libel/slander, theft of intellectual property, etc. I might disagree at the edges of those concepts. For example, I think copyrights are extended far too long in the US as a consequence of persistent lobbying from corporations like Disney. That tangent aside, Shade's board maintains those restrictions too. Free speech doesn't mean one is free to say what they want without criticism. It means that everyone can say what they want barring some minimal restrictions where people's rights are threatened.

Bad posters should either be condemned or ignored. That might require a thicker skin, but it isn't hard to do.

I think you may have misread me. Let me reword it. The same principles that explain why having a government respect people's free speech is a good thing are similar to why that is a good thing in many day to day situations, such as internet forums that seek to foster an open dialogue. It isn't a one-to-one correspondence. Governments own militaries so the stakes are higher, but the reasons are generally the same. If your goal is create an environment were people can exchange ideas, then speech limitations should be done through social disapprobation, not censorship. You reserve the right to kick someone out of your house, of course, but don't pretend that an open exchange of ideas is occurring then.

The MD board does indeed prohibit certain ideas having to do with the LDS Church, not all of which have to do with the noise and yellow journalism of antiMormonism.

[_bcspace]

Perhaps some apologists with cooler heads should try to calm Nemesis down.

Hell hath no fury.....

I used to partner with her in posting against antiMormons on the old AOL LDD board. Her biggest fault is too itchy a trigger finger.

[_bcspace]

I'm inserting myself, here, with a comment that's a little off subject, BC. I rarely agree with you on anything, but you always seem to be a very stand-up guy.

Thanks Morley. Post more so you can attain God-like status as I have.

[_CaliforniaKid]

You're welcome.

[_3sheets2thewind]

Perhaps some apologists with cooler heads should try to calm Nemesis down. She might be receptive to some biblical or Book of Mormon analogy wherein some Nephite may have transgressed, but that did not mean all Nephites had transgressed.

or that whenever the nephites invaded another land, they always lost. The Nephites were only successful in reclaiming their own land or defending their own land. They never invaded anothers land and succeeded....invading and forcing a type of behaviour on this board is what nemesis proposed.

[_zeezrom]

Not "board wars"

Board Drama

So funny.