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Anyone ever see Shawshank Redemption, The Great Escape, or maybe have you read The Count of Monte Cristo? These all contain excellent prison break stories. When there's a will there's a way, right?

Do you think any prisoners in the afterlife (those in spirit prison, outer darkness, or a lower kingdom) will make a break?

What barriers will God have his gods build? How much of the walls has Michael, the great contractor of heaven, already built to date?

Or will God's "Secure Fence Act" be symbolic of vast distances that separate the prisoners from those with perfect knowledge? Maybe the hell will be so damn far away that nobody could build a space craft to get out of their prison. That is, unless they figured out a way...

So, what makes you believe that God can stop every attempt at illegal immigration in the afterlife?

zeezrom wrote:Anyone ever see Shawshank Redemption, The Great Escape, or maybe have you read The Count of Monte Cristo? These all contain excellent prison break stories. When there's a will there's a way, right?

No.

Do you think any prisoners in the afterlife (those in spirit prison, outer darkness, or a lower kingdom) will make a break?

And go where? Into the presence of those whose existence will be a continual torment to them? Yeah, doubt they'll be much interest.

What barriers will God have his gods build? How much of the walls has Michael, the great contractor of heaven, already built to date?

I don't think we'll build Dyson Spheres to keep people out.

Or will God's "Secure Fence Act" be symbolic of vast distances that separate the prisoners from those with perfect knowledge?

Distance will not be a limiting factor to anyone.

Maybe the hell will be so damn far away that nobody could build a space craft to get out of their prison. That is, unless they figured out a way...

Again, this is like suggesting that a free American citizen will come up with a brilliant escape plan to infiltrate a Russian gulag. Why would they want to if it will be continual torture once they arrive?

So, what makes you believe that God can stop every attempt at illegal immigration in the afterlife?

Omnipotence can do a lot of things.

See you on the barricades, Zeezrom!

Blixa wrote:See you on the barricades, Zeezrom!

"They sang songs about tomorrow and tomorrow never came."

No, the prisoners will continue to live in the same condos as the paradisers, but they will only receive basic cable and be forced to consume coffee and cinnamon crisps for breakfast.

Nehor,

Are you telling me there is free agency in hell?

zeezrom wrote:Nehor,

Are you telling me there is free agency in hell?

Yes.

Nehor,

Isn't the god of hell sort of anti-free agency?

zeezrom wrote:Nehor,

Isn't the god of hell sort of anti-free agency?

Yep, but even he cannot defy the will of God. Hence why almost everyone there will leave and there is nothing the devil can do about it. The few that stay will lock the door for themselves on the inside. They will have the power of choice though I shudder to think of what choice in such a debased state would even entail. Thinking of devils as people is giving them too much credit. They're more like the remnants of self-destructed personality.

The Nehor wrote:Yep, but even he cannot defy the will of God. Hence why almost everyone there will leave and there is nothing the devil can do about it. The few that stay will lock the door for themselves on the inside. They will have the power of choice though I shudder to think of what choice in such a debased state would even entail. Thinking of devils as people is giving them too much credit. They're more like the remnants of self-destructed personality.

So, if people choose to stay, that must mean the place is heaven to them. I realize your favorite place to hang out might be Thanksgiving Point in Lehi but you must understand that not everyone likes that place. Some people would rather hang out at E O's Billiards in Kearns. If you were locked in there, you would probably gnash your teeth and kick the door but many other people would quite enjoy themselves.

I personally feel the only way hell can be hell or outer darkness or some place other than THE BEST place (i.e. Celestial Kingdom) is if the people in there are stuck (damned) and have no way out. Isn't that what makes it less desirable?

Isn't the whole selling point of the CK that there are no boundaries? There is no end to the worlds you create, the places you fly, etc etc?