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in my opinion the mainstream LDS are made fun of, which the members are trained to see this as Satan leading the persecution of their supposed gospel.

So my challenge to the defenders of mainstream Mormonism:

Show me real world "persecution" that the mainstream LDS endure. Hard and fast, with real documentation.

Sorry but the "persecution" that the early members endured can only be counted by the FLDS who still practice the same principles that brought on this "perseucution".

Okay, PP. I'll play.

My fourteen year-old daughter has been regularly attending horse camp at a local facility run by the Free Methodist Church.

She has gone there for about five years now, several times each year.

She has progressed to the top level of horsemanship (Level 4), is very well liked and respected, and was encouraged by the lower level leadership to submit her paperwork to be a summer counselor.

My daughter submitted the application, together with glowing referral letters, a couple of months ago.

About three weeks ago, we received a letter in the mail.

The letter was signed by the upper level management, and while saying that my daughter has wonderful references and is indeed respected by the people who work at the camp, she was rejected for the summer counselor position, specifically stating it was only because of her beliefs as a Mormon.

What do you think? Does this qualify as "persecution"? It isn't tar and feathering, granted.

But sometimes things leave scars that never felt a wound.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Hello,

Could you imagine the self-flagellation Mormons could get from this if it happened to them?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006 ... sque_x.htm

V/R
Dr. Cam

consiglieri wrote:Okay, PP. I'll play.

My fourteen year-old daughter has been regularly attending horse camp at a local facility run by the Free Methodist Church.

She has gone there for about five years now, several times each year.

She has progressed to the top level of horsemanship (Level 4), is very well liked and respected, and was encouraged by the lower level leadership to submit her paperwork to be a summer counselor.

My daughter submitted the application, together with glowing referral letters, a couple of months ago.

About three weeks ago, we received a letter in the mail.

The letter was signed by the upper level management, and while saying that my daughter has wonderful references and is indeed respected by the people who work at the camp, she was rejected for the summer counselor position, specifically stating it was only because of her beliefs as a Mormon.

What do you think? Does this qualify as "persecution"? It isn't tar and feathering, granted.

But sometimes things leave scars that never felt a wound.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Hmmm...
Sounds more like Camp Doctrine to me.
After all, the blacks and the gays weren't/aren't being persecuted by the Church, it's just Doctrine...

jon wrote:Hmmm...
Sounds more like Camp Doctrine to me.
After all, the blacks and the gays weren't/aren't being persecuted by the Church, it's just Doctrine...

Do you feel that makes it okay?

I once thought I was being persecuted for having a gun pointed at me because I was trying to talk to this guy on his property. Occasionally, I got rocks thrown at me and even got swung at a few times. Someone stole my bike. On several occasions, I didn't bother with my raincoat and umbrella and got pelted with a cool change all day (a Melbourne 40 degree weather dip with wind and rain).

Sometimes we can confuse the craft of persecution with simply being annoying. Evidently even the Mormon God considered his servant inc.

Still, I'm glad I'm not a gay Mormon. That would suck.

Consig,

Yes, I think that counts.

**************

Porter,

Here is an example of persecution that people around me still feel. Whether or not it is an honest depiction is not my point. My point is the believers around me truly feel this is persecution and it is internalized today as something personal to them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7nOEhTICAE

I would venture to guess it bolsters their belief in Mormonism. So be it.

When I lived in CA, my office used to hold a weekly ritual around the fridge called, "Friday half-hour power". They would pull out the beers and we would all stand around laughing and talking. They gave me a rootbeer. Often times, the office manager would jab funny remarks about Mormons my way and I was left to defend myself. It wasn't too bad and I usually laughed it off. I never considered this persecution because she never meant me any harm. There is a chance the tables will be turned on some future day on a Friday afternoon in the office and I will try my best to be aware of what is said to the one TBM in our office. I will try to be his champion. It will be an interesting experience, I'm sure.

EDIT,

No, I take that back. I think I did chalk this up as persecution. As I recall, I would relate this story to others and at church. It sort of validated my belief.

How did I know this thread would devolve into..

"I was persecuted like this. [Insert valid persecution]"

"OH YA!!!! WELL, THE CHURCH PERSECUTES TOO!!!!"

I think it's pretty ridiculous to think that people have not been perseucted because of their religious beliefs.

Religion (or lack of) is the least protected of the protected classes.

consiglieri wrote:Okay, PP. I'll play.

My fourteen year-old daughter has been regularly attending horse camp at a local facility run by the Free Methodist Church.

She has gone there for about five years now, several times each year.

She has progressed to the top level of horsemanship (Level 4), is very well liked and respected, and was encouraged by the lower level leadership to submit her paperwork to be a summer counselor.

My daughter submitted the application, together with glowing referral letters, a couple of months ago.

About three weeks ago, we received a letter in the mail.

The letter was signed by the upper level management, and while saying that my daughter has wonderful references and is indeed respected by the people who work at the camp, she was rejected for the summer counselor position, specifically stating it was only because of her beliefs as a Mormon.

What do you think? Does this qualify as "persecution"? It isn't tar and feathering, granted.

But sometimes things leave scars that never felt a wound.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Surely there must be a law preventing this kind of thing, right? Isn't religion a protected class that can't be discriminated against?