My Experience With Daniel Peterson

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_ludwigm
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Re: My Experience With Daniel Peterson

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[quote="Pahoran"][quote="Kishkumen"][quote="Milesius"]No.[/quote]
Yes.

[quote="Milesius"]Yes.[/quote]
No.

[quote="Milesius"]No.[/quote]
Yes.[/quote]
M:  Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A:   Yes it is.
M:   No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A:   No it isn't.
M:  It is!
A:   It is not.
M:  Look, you just contradicted me.
A:   I did not.
M:  Oh you did!!
A:   No, no, no.
M:  You did just then.
A:   Nonsense!
M:  Oh, this is futile!
A:   No it isn't.
M:  I came here for a good argument.
A:   No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M:  An argument isn't just contradiction.
A:   It can be.
M:  No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A:   No it isn't.
M:  Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A:   Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M:  Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A:   Yes it is!
M:   No it isn't![/quote]

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I like logic.
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Re: My Experience With Daniel Peterson

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Daniel Peterson wrote:I thought [Ferguson's] work uncritical, and his expectations unrealistic.


I can agree with that.
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Re: My Experience With Daniel Peterson

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DrW wrote:Thank you for taking the time to "google" me. I appreciate your kindness.


So I take it you are standing by your claims of having the background you announced? I still call BS because your lack of command of the english language and ability to build an argument, unless english is your second language.
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Re: My Experience With Daniel Peterson

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lostindc wrote:
DrW wrote:Thank you for taking the time to "google" me. I appreciate your kindness.


So I take it you are standing by your claims of having the background you announced? I still call BS because your lack of command of the english language and ability to build an argument, unless english is your second language.

That is your choice.

Dr. Scratch was provided with a list of my patents, links to my books on Amazon and elsewhere, and links to examples of my peer reviewed papers, including a couple on JSTOR. He was also provided with links to published press releases regarding my appointment to the Board of Directors of a publicly traded company and then to CEO.

About the only information about me that he was not provided with was a copy of my (now expired) temple recommend, honorable discharge from the US Marine Corps, and tax returns.

Dr. Scratch has come on this board and confirmed that what I wrote about my background could all be independently verified.

Do you not see it as ironic that you are apparently quite willing to believe the unverifiable and/or falsified truth claims of a documented historical liar, adulterer, fornicator and scam artist, while choosing not to be believe the verified claims of a contemporary scientist?

Are these your Mormon decision making and critical thinking skills at work?
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DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
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Re: My Experience With Daniel Peterson

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DrW wrote:That is your choice.

Dr. Scratch was provided with a list of my patents, links to my books on Amazon and elsewhere, and links to examples of my peer reviewed papers, including a couple on JSTOR. He was also provided with links to published press releases regarding my appointment to the Board of Directors of a publicly traded company and then to CEO.

About the only information about me that he was not provided with was a copy of my (now expired) temple recommend, honorable discharge from the US Marine Corps, and tax returns.

Dr. Scratch has come on this board and confirmed that what I wrote about my background could all be independently verified.

Do you not see it as ironic that you are apparently quite willing to believe the unverifiable and/or falsified truth claims of a documented historical liar, adulterer, fornicator and scam artist, while choosing not to be believe the verified claims of a contemporary scientist?

Are these your Mormon decision making and critical thinking skills at work?


I am not saying I don't believe you, Dr.W., but why send them to Scratch? Why should I or anyone else believe Scratch? Post them here.
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Re: My Experience With Daniel Peterson

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I cheerfully admit, and routinely say, that Mormonism has not proven its claims. I don't think it's supposed to do so, either, and, accordingly, I reject your claim that it has failed to do so. (Daniel Peterson)


Daniel, I took the effort to understand this saying of yours from your perspective. I understand how it makes sense to you. Now, can we look at a few things from my perspective: During the last talk I had with Missionaries who came to my door they were telling me of a dig going on in Mesoamerica today where they were expecting Archeologists to find evidence of Book of Mormon peoples, including ‘many records.’ They may have not had their facts together?

These young men believed that the Hill Ramah was in Mesoamerica, and that Mormon traveled to New York from that location. They were excited about Book of Mormon proofs which they believed were about to be discovered.

The attitude they conveyed reminds me of bumper stickers Mormons had on their cars in the 1980s which read something like: “Speak to the Earth and it shall tell you”

As far as I can tell, many people of the LDS faith were, and still are, looking to find evidence to prove the Book of Mormon true. Today, I see more professors like you explaining why evidence is not required. I find the whole subject fascinating. And, while I have put up a light hearted page entitled “Book of Mormon Archeological File Photos” on my site, I am considering spending some time putting together a serious work on the matter.

Sometimes I use humor. Yet, most of my work is on the serious side.

Here is a short quote from something I penned on this subject:

A Mormon article entitled: "Does Geography in the Book of Mormon Matter?" spells out,
“…the geography question has not been answered by church authorities, nor have the opinions worked out by geography hobbyists yet led to agreement. In 1947 it was still possible to hope that ‘out of the studies of faithful Latter-day Saints may yet come a unity of opinion concerning Book of Mormon geography’ as Elder Widtsoe put it. But in the half century since, confusion has grown.” (Provo, Utah: BYU, Maxwell Institute)
Today, Mormons are left with the daunting task of trying to convince investigators that 'the geography question' really doesn't matter.
(The Book of Mormon — Rich Kelsey, p.4)

Link: http://richkelsey.org/book_of_mormon.htm
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Re: My Experience With Daniel Peterson

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Give the information/links to someone like Harmony or Liz.

I still do not believe the background claims due to your inability to develop and subsequently focus on an argument. I believe you would have developed these skills if you published as often as you claim to publish.

So anyways, BS, on your claims.


DrW wrote:
Dr. Scratch was provided with a list of my patents, links to my books on Amazon and elsewhere, and links to examples of my peer reviewed papers, including a couple on JSTOR. He was also provided with links to published press releases regarding my appointment to the Board of Directors of a publicly traded company and then to CEO.

About the only information about me that he was not provided with was a copy of my (now expired) temple recommend, honorable discharge from the US Marine Corps, and tax returns.

Dr. Scratch has come on this board and confirmed that what I wrote about my background could all be independently verified.

Do you not see it as ironic that you are apparently quite willing to believe the unverifiable and/or falsified truth claims of a documented historical liar, adulterer, fornicator and scam artist, while choosing not to be believe the verified claims of a contemporary scientist?

Are these your Mormon decision making and critical thinking skills at work?
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Re: My Experience With Daniel Peterson

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A person who has to claim that he is credentialed in order to improve his argument, yet fails to prove his credentials when challenged, is a liar.

If you're going to choose the cowardly way and hurl insults and cast aspersions as an anonymous person, then don't play us all for fools by claiming to have credentials.
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Re: My Experience With Daniel Peterson

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Yahoo Bot wrote:A person who has to claim that he is credentialed in order to improve his argument, yet fails to prove his credentials when challenged, is a liar.


Hmmm...what are your credentials I wonder...
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Re: My Experience With Daniel Peterson

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Yahoo Bot wrote:A person who has to claim that he is credentialed in order to improve his argument, yet fails to prove his credentials when challenged, is a liar.


I have to actually agree in this very case.
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