liz3564 wrote: You really don't have to get into the type of gory detail you did. That was for pure shock value, and you know it.
How to explain it without some detail? Not possible. This thread is entitled: Speaking of masturbation. On all the masturbation threads started by our exmo posters, I have never read of any parent discussing the mess that the son may create. I just did a public service by making exmo parents aware of a possible problem.
If you have to indulge your creepy fantasies, could you do it someplace other than my thread? Thanks.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
If you have to indulge your creepy fantasies, could you do it someplace other than my thread? Thanks.
Yeah, a thread entitled, "Speaking of masturbation..."
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
liz3564 wrote: Let me tell you something, Why Me. As a member of the Church, I do NOT consider your supposed "defense" of MY faith to be welcome. The type of "defense" you are giving, like the kind you just gave here, is an embarrassment. You are hardly a representative of MY faith.
I wasn't representing the faith when I made the comment nor was I defending the church when I gave it.
I think that over on MDD when masturbation was discussed most members had a very liberal view of it. And so do I. In fact, I don't see any problem with masturbation as long as it doesn't become an obsession. But I also know that one must talk about the mess afterwards if one has girls too. Just practical advice to parents who advise their sons to masturbate if they wish to do so.
By the way Líz, who here is representing their lds faith well in your opinion? You? Harmony? Simon? Nehor? etc? And who here is representing the exmos well? Any names? Maybe not.
Thus, maybe the problem of the board.
Harmony, Simon, Nehor, and I all represent the faith a hell of a lot better than you do. At least, we all go to Church on Sunday, and are actually invested in the Church with callings.
liz3564 wrote:Harmony, Simon, Nehor, and I all represent the faith a hell of a lot better than you do. At least, we all go to Church on Sunday, and are actually invested in the Church with callings.
Me too. I'm an atheist and even I'm more of a Mormon than Why Me.
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Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
liz3564 wrote:I posted this in response to someone in the "Why do you post on MDB" thread, but it really belongs here. Comments are welcome:
Actually, the LDS Church and the Jewish Church have very similar rules about sex. I just found a very interesting article about the Jewish views regarding sex. Read the portion about sex and women, in particular. I wish that our Church spelled things out this plainly.
Jewish Attitudes Towards Sexuality
In Jewish law, sex is not considered shameful, sinful or obscene. Sex is not thought of as a necessary evil for the sole purpose of procreation. Although sexual desire comes from the yetzer ra (the evil impulse), it is no more evil than hunger or thirst, which also come from the yetzer ra. Like hunger, thirst or other basic instincts, sexual desire must be controlled and channeled, satisfied at the proper time, place and manner. But when sexual desire is satisfied between a husband and wife at the proper time, out of mutual love and desire, sex is a mitzvah.
Sex is permissible only within the context of a marriage. In Judaism, sex is not merely a way of experiencing physical pleasure. It is an act of immense significance, which requires commitment and responsibility. The requirement of marriage before sex ensures that sense of commitment and responsibility. Jewish law also forbids sexual contact short of intercourse outside of the context of marriage, recognizing that such contact will inevitably lead to intercourse.
The primary purpose of sex is to reinforce the loving marital bond between husband and wife. The first and foremost purpose of marriage is companionship, and sexual relations play an important role. Procreation is also a reason for sex, but it is not the only reason. Sex between husband and wife is permitted (even recommended) at times when conception is impossible, such as when the woman is pregnant, after menopause, or when the woman is using a permissible form of contraception.
In the Torah, the word used for sex between husband and wife comes from the root Yod-Dalet-Ayin, meaning "to know," which vividly illustrates that proper Jewish sexuality involves both the heart and mind, not merely the body.
Nevertheless, Judaism does not ignore the physical component of sexuality. The need for physical compatibility between husband and wife is recognized in Jewish law. A Jewish couple must meet at least once before the marriage, and if either prospective spouse finds the other physically repulsive, the marriage is forbidden.
Sex should only be experienced in a time of joy. Sex for selfish personal satisfaction, without regard for the partner's pleasure, is wrong and evil. A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.
Sex is the woman's right, not the man's. A man has a duty to give his wife sex regularly and to ensure that sex is pleasurable for her. He is also obligated to watch for signs that his wife wants sex, and to offer it to her without her asking for it. The woman's right to sexual intercourse is referred to as onah, and it is one of a wife's three basic rights (the others are food and clothing), which a husband may not reduce. The Talmud specifies both the quantity and quality of sex that a man must give his wife. It specifies the frequency of sexual obligation based on the husband's occupation, although this obligation can be modified in the ketubah (marriage contract). A man may not take a vow to abstain from sex for an extended period of time, and may not take a journey for an extended period of time, because that would deprive his wife of sexual relations. In addition, a husband's consistent refusal to engage in sexual relations is grounds for compelling a man to divorce his wife, even if the couple has already fulfilled the halakhic obligation to procreate.
Although sex is the woman's right, she does not have absolute discretion to withhold it from her husband. A woman may not withhold sex from her husband as a form of punishment, and if she does, the husband may divorce her without paying the substantial divorce settlement provided for in the ketubah.
Although some sources take a more narrow view, the general view of halakhah is that any sexual act that does not involve sh'chatat zerah (destruction of seed, that is, ejaculation outside the vagina) is permissible. As one passage in the Talmud states, "a man may do whatever he pleases with his wife." (Nedarim 20b) In fact, there are passages in the Talmud that encourage foreplay to arouse the woman. (Nedarim 20a). Any stories you may have heard about Jewish sex occurring through a hole in a sheet are purely an urban legend.
These are the Jewish views on masturbation:
Jewish law clearly prohibits male masturbation. This law is derived from the story of Onan (Gen. 38:8-10), who practiced coitus interruptus as a means of birth control to avoid fathering a child for his deceased brother. G-d killed Onan for this sin. Although Onan's act was not truly masturbation, Jewish law takes a very broad view of the acts prohibited by this passage, and forbids any act of ha-sh'cha'tat zerah (destruction of the seed), that is, ejaculation outside of the vagina. In fact, the prohibition is so strict that one passage in the Talmud states, "in the case of a man, the hand that reaches below the navel should be chopped off." (Niddah 13a)
The issue is somewhat less clear for women. Obviously, spilling the seed is not going to happen in female masturbation, and there is no explicit Torah prohibition against female masturbation. Nevertheless, Judaism generally frowns upon female masturbation as "impure thoughts."
Porn is mostly addictive to people who view it as sinful.
CFR or logical argument detailing why this should be believed.
Of course, the church tends to classify any viewing of pornography as an "addiction."
No, it never has. It says it is addictive, which it is, and it is one of the deepest and most cruelly debilitating of all addictions, and among the most painfully difficult to break.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Speaking of masturbation as a serious topic, not indulging in masturbatory fantasies.
Head, meet gutter.
Interesting the sheer quantity of this kind of discussion over the years here.
Where is MsJack when we need her. I'm in the mood for a good witch burning today!
Of course, the obsession with sex and sexuality is simply a part of the liberal/leftist mental set. Indeed, the Left wouldn't exist in its present form at all without the cult or eroticism it fathered and reared to maturity.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Porn is mostly addictive to people who view it as sinful.
CFR or logical argument detailing why this should be believed.
No, it never has. It says it is addictive, which it is, and it is one of the deepest and most cruelly debilitating of all addictions, and among the most painfully difficult to break.
Abstinence violation effect refers to the guilt and perceived loss of control that a person feels whenever he or she slips and finds himself or herself returning to drug use after an extended period of abstinence. Other definition: Abstinence violation effect refers to a person's sense of loss of control over his/her Behavior that has an overwhelming and demoralizing effect. Other /More definition: Abstinence violation effect refers to a feeling of loss of control that results when one has violated self-imposed rules, such as not to smoke or drink.
Abstinence violation effect is what happens when a person attempting to abstain from alcohol use ingests alcohol and then endures conflict and guilt by making an internal attribution to explain why he or she drank, thereby making him or her more likely to continue drinking in order to cope with the self-blame and guilt
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Speaking of masturbation as a serious topic, not indulging in masturbatory fantasies.
Head, meet gutter.
Interesting the sheer quantity of this kind of discussion over the years here.
Where is MsJack when we need her. I'm in the mood for a good witch burning today!
Of course, the obsession with sex and sexuality is simply a part of the liberal/leftist mental set. Indeed, the Left wouldn't exist in its present form at all without the cult or eroticism it fathered and reared to maturity.
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Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.