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So My wife and I have been separated for over 2 weeks now. She and the girls are staying at her sisters and her BIL's house. I and my BIL (Mormon) had a conversation spanning several hours this evening. Towards the end of the discussion i brought up fanny, the situation and why I felt that it was a darn good reason not to trust Joseph Smith. My BIL had stated when I had previously brought the subjecet up that he felt personally attacked at the mention of such things but I stupidly pressed on agaain, taking ten seconds to describe emmas reaction to the affair. We then proceeded to discuss how if I were to ever bring up such things again I would not be welcome in his home. We left crying and shaking and hugging, but it still gave me pause once again to think why the hell would such a visceral stress response be invoked for mentioning known facts. Just venting. Its late and I am watching the hot air baloon competition tomorrow at 6 AM.

Night Y'all!

Y'know, Mercury, I'm VERY sorry to hear about your separation. The last time we talked face-to-face, I got the impression that things were O.K. on the home front. :-(

No matter what ends up happening, I truly hope you end up in a better situation than before.

But to address your topic, I'd say that people react that way simply because they subconsciously know that they aren't yet ready for the "meat."

Mercury,

My dear wife identifies herself as NOM. She knows that the LDS Church is a religious scam, yet she still has a calling and attends almost every Sunday.

She readily admits to being embarrassed by many of the teachings of the Church. Politically, she is a Democrat. She enjoys the occasional "R" rated movie, and even (heaven forbid) will drink green tea now and then.

However, in our home it is pretty much understood that we will NOT discuss, or even mention, Joseph Smith's sexual promiscuity (especially his polyandry) and his treatment of Emma Smith.

She is BIC and this subject is one she simply cannot deal with. She gave the lesson in Relief Society during the year that the life of Joseph Smith was the subject. She understands what a blatantly misleading and false picture the LDS Church paints of Joseph Smith. Yet she cannot bring herself to discuss this issue.

At some deep level it is still genuinely painful for her to even think about this. If I bring it up (which I have learned not to do), she takes my comments as an almost personal attack.

I have no explanation for why this is. But I can tell you that your experience with this issue is not unique.

Best wishes.

Mercury wrote:So My wife and I have been separated for over 2 weeks now. She and the girls are staying at her sisters and her BIL's house. I and my BIL (Mormon) had a conversation spanning several hours this evening. Towards the end of the discussion i brought up fanny, the situation and why I felt that it was a darn good reason not to trust Joseph Smith. My BIL had stated when I had previously brought the subjecet up that he felt personally attacked at the mention of such things but I stupidly pressed on agaain, taking ten seconds to describe emmas reaction to the affair. We then proceeded to discuss how if I were to ever bring up such things again I would not be welcome in his home. We left crying and shaking and hugging, but it still gave me pause once again to think why the hell would such a visceral stress response be invoked for mentioning known facts. Just venting. Its late and I am watching the hot air baloon competition tomorrow at 6 AM.

Night Y'all!

The truth is an option to Mormons. There are two versions of the truth, one being the manufactured history and the other being the actual truth. One can't know the truth and believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, so you represent a threat to TBM's. Tell yourself now that it's an exercise in futility to be rational when discussing this with TBM's, and if they choose to believe what they're told to believe it's their choice. They surround themselves with others who make the same choice and believe that the "anti" material is the lie, when all it is, is the truth. Vent here, but take it off the table in future discussions with your relatives. If you do, they'll just use it to paint you as evil for seeking the actual truth.

Dr. Shades wrote:.... I'd say that people react that way simply because they subconsciously know that they aren't yet ready for the "meat."

Hello,

Heh.

That said, I'm sorry to hear things on the home front isn't going so well. The mother of my children dropped me like a bad habit when she found out I didn't believe in Mormonism any more. She found a faithful Mormon and she's happy these days. Good for her.

I hope you two find your own measure of happiness. It's important.

V/R
Dr. Cameron

God, this sucks.

Many members want Joseph Smith to be the guy in this movie: http://newsroom.LDS.org/article/film-ab ... ble-online

They want it so bad. Why does the truth have to be so damn painful sometimes? Why can't we all just live in a fairytale?

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The mother of my children dropped me like a bad habit when she found out I didn't believe in Mormonism any more.

As a matter of principle when I was in a position to be dispensing advice I never, ever said that your wife's actions would have been appropriate. As long as you are a good father it would be foolish to subject your children to some other man raising them. But if you combined your departure with porn addiction or major substance abuse or going gay or something, well, that's a different matter.

That said, your wife had every right in the world to leave you. She signed on for a religious marriage and she was entitled to it. That goes for Merc's case as well. This principle applies to whatever faith one might be. A devout Catholic wife has the right to leave her new unbelieving husband.

Too bad. I know the Church and its history far better than you and it is still true to me.

Merc....*HUGS*

I'm sorry things are still on the "outs". :(

I hope you guys can reach a point of peace, whatever that might be.

I hope you can have a pleasant holiday.

Yahoo Bot wrote:Too bad. I know the Church and its history far better than you and it is still true to me.

You "know" all of the Mormon church's history, but choose to "take no position" when you reach a dead end? Seems a convenient way to dodge the topic... the same "position" Dr. Peterson choose by ignoring the history.

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Yahoo Bot wrote:I take no position on whether the Kinderhook Plates Joseph Smith saw were authentic or not.

And while you have ample evidence to define the truth, distortion is always a better option if it's all you must cling to in avoidance of the truth.

Yahoo Bot wrote:What do you think of my point that the Chicago Museum plate has dimensions almost twice as much as those reported in the Times and Seasons (and DHC). The length the church reports Joseph Smith seeing was 2 7/8ths. The length in the museum (and apparent from your photo) is over 4 inches. This is no typo. But it demonstrates that somebody has faked something since Joseph Smith saw the plates.

Yahoo Bot wrote:That said, your wife had every right in the world to leave you. She signed on for a religious marriage and she was entitled to it.

Hello Mr. Yahoo Bot,

I actualy agree with you on this point. I'm very happy for her. I wish her nothing but the best, and I really mean that. She should be happy and if Mormonism makes her feel that then I fully support it.

V/R
Dr. Cameron