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Buddhism, Jainism, and Mormonism: God was once a man

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:27 pm
by _daheshism
Mormonism teaches that God was once a mortal man.

So does Buddhism, and Jainism.

Buddhism is a major religion in Shri Lanka, Tibet, China, Taiwan, Japan, Thailand, and Myanmar (Burma). Jainism is a major religion in India which is very similar to Buddhism.

In Buddhism, there are beings called Non-returning Devahs who are all-powerful and all-seeing, and are in Nirvana. They are not worshipped, because they have no "desire" to be and have nothing to do with our world/plane/dimension.

In Buddhism, there are beings called "Devahs". The highest Devahs are the Non-returners. Then come the Buddhas. Then the Boddisattvas, then the Brahmas, and the Brahmas are the "highest" beings who have any desire to "rule" those under them. The Brahmas refer to themselves as "the Great Fathers" and "the Ancient of days" and "The Creator of all that is" and "the God of gods" and "The Only God".

The Siddhis (Arhants) have no desire for anything. They have no desire to "rule" over others. They are in eternal blissfulness (Nirvana), and have no desire to rule or control. They have no desire for rule, control, sex, food, water, offspring, or adoration. They desire nothing, because they have reached Nirvana.

The Buddhas have reached Nirvana, but they retain a desire to help humans and devahs reach Nirvana, so because of this "desire" they cannot remain in Nirvana but they "fall" back to the material realm as Great Teachers in order to teach humanity "The Way" to Enlightenmnet. The Buddhas also wish to "teach" the Brahmas the The Way.

The Brahmas are lower, and still have a desire to rule and control others. They may or may not have a knowledge of those above them, but they usually claim they are the "Only God" since they control everything below them and they consider the gods above them to be irrelevant (i.e. "dead"). The Arhants have no desire to deal with the Brahmas, becausse they have no desires. The Buddhas, however, want to "convert" the Brahmas to the right-way of thinking.

The Buddhas still have desire to "return" to mortal planets and to help humans reach moksha (liberation from the Wheel of Rebirth) as well as enlightenment. So, they "return" to the mortal planets as great teachers.

The Boddisattvas are like "buddhas in training".

The Brahmas ("Brahma" means "best") are below the Non-returnings and Buddhas and Boddisattvas. They still have "desire" for love, revenge, power, control, etc. They are actually Buddhas or Boddisattvas who have "fallen" into a lower world/dimension. The Brahmas are not all-powerful, not all-knowking, and not all-seeing. They are limited in power and intelligence, but they do have great power and they live for millions of years.

Over our world there exists Baka Brahma, otherwise known as Jehovah or Allah. He is a Brahma. He was once a man, a monk named Keseva. He achieved becoming a Bodisattva, but "fell" to a lower dimension. When he was born into his dimension he was alone, since he was the first sentient being to be born into his dimension. Having no remembrance of his past lives, and seeing the Cosmos around him, and having no knowledge of dimensions higher than him, he concludes he is the One Sole God and creator of the Cosmos. But he did not create the Cosmos. Rather, the Cosmos created him.

In Buddhism, the Cosmos has always existed in some form, and Time itself is a creation of the Cosmos, so the Cosmos is "eterenal" in that it is outside of Time. The planets and stars are not "created" by any intelligent beings, but are the result of impersonal forces. In other words, the "clouds" in the sky are not created by gods, but are the result of the natural forces of gravity, wind, temperature, and air pressure, and moisture. In like manner, the plants and galaxies are also the natural result of impersonal forces.

But...this does NOT mean no "gods" exist. Many exist, at many different levels. The highest "gods" have reached NIrvana, and care nothing about our dimension. They seek not to create or rule or even teach us The Way. They are beyond all desire.

The Jains call the Non-returners by the name Siddhis. They have no desire to rule anyone, and do not respond to prayers. They are "retired" gods.

In Mormonism, the gods have sex, and create worlds and have spirit-children. In Buddhism or Jainism, they do none of this. The Cosmos is controled by impersonal laws that do not require "gods" to manipulate matter. The Siddis do not have sex nor do they create. "Sex" is a desire, and the Non-returners have no desire for anything. They are in total bliss (nirvana).

The Arhants and Siddis and Buddas and Bodsattvas and Brahmas and Devahs are all "human beings". Besides these are the Asuras, who have no souls and are not human but they live a long time (not as long as the Devahs but much longer than humans), and they are constantly "at war" one with another. Are these the "aliens" that visit the Earth? The Asuras once had a war with the Devahs but they were defeated.

Re: Buddhism, Jainism, and Mormonism: God was once a man

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:52 am
by _JohnStuartMill
Thanks for posting this, daheshism. I've also been thinking a lot about Mormonism and Jainism lately. Here are some other interesting parallels between the religions:

1. The belief that spirit is merely a refined kind of matter.
2. A strongly-held belief that thoughts can be regulated by the spirit.
3. A division of heavens.
4. Deity relativity: the belief that one spirit's creation could be another spirit's God.
5. Exhortations to vegetarianism.
6. The belief that immoral acts in previous stages of existence lead to a less desirable incarnation in mortal life.
7. Strict prohibition of drugs and alcohol.
8. The clothing sometimes worn by spiritual leaders (who are not paid), is white.
9. The guardian deities are a pair, male and female, who are the same path of spiritual progression prescribed for mortals, just further along.
10. Both religions engage in ritual bathing intended to represent absolution of past immoral deeds.
11. Ritual fasting following a lunar calendar.
12. A belief that morality is a natural aspect of the universe.