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If it all started some many billions of years ago, and somehow happened all by chance, then we're really just a blip in the radar of activity and existence. That's pretty cool in a sense, sure. But let's think on this a minute.

God is unable to be detected, if there is a God, with the tools we use as science. That can mean many things, but two of which are: God doesn't exist or God is beyond our scientific realm. If that is so, then its only reasonable we are left to ascribe the Big bang to chance. We have no other options. We can't detect another existence that started it all.

This is in exploration of whether one can take the position, reasonably, that God uses evolution, and what it took to accomplish the Big Bang as His creative tools. It seems to me, we simply wouldn't know if God did. It seems to me, if He did, then someday we'll be able to understand things on a greater level then we ever we'll have the chance to understand here.

In the D&C it says, "Yea, verily I say unto you, in that day when the Lord shall come, he shall reveal all things—

33Things which have passed, and hidden things which no man knew, things of the earth, by which it was made, and the purpose and the end thereof—

34Things most precious, things that are above, and things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, and upon the earth, and in heaven."

Perhaps the big bang was a science experiment of some other advanced race.

stemelbow wrote:If it all started some many billions of years ago, and somehow happened all by chance, then we're really just a blip in the radar of activity and existence. That's pretty cool in a sense, sure. But let's think on this a minute.

God is unable to be detected, if there is a God, with the tools we use as science. That can mean many things, but two of which are: God doesn't exist or God is beyond our scientific realm.

Why does God hide Himself from us, from detection through our empirical and scientific abilities? If He's real, that is?

stemelbow wrote:If it all started some many billions of years ago, and somehow happened all by chance, then we're really just a blip in the radar of activity and existence. That's pretty cool in a sense, sure. But let's think on this a minute.

God is unable to be detected, if there is a God, with the tools we use as science. That can mean many things, but two of which are: God doesn't exist or God is beyond our scientific realm. If that is so, then its only reasonable we are left to ascribe the Big bang to chance. We have no other options. We can't detect another existence that started it all.

This is in exploration of whether one can take the position, reasonably, that God uses evolution, and what it took to accomplish the Big Bang as His creative tools. It seems to me, we simply wouldn't know if God did. It seems to me, if He did, then someday we'll be able to understand things on a greater level then we ever we'll have the chance to understand here.

In the D&C it says, "Yea, verily I say unto you, in that day when the Lord shall come, he shall reveal all things—

33Things which have passed, and hidden things which no man knew, things of the earth, by which it was made, and the purpose and the end thereof—

34Things most precious, things that are above, and things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, and upon the earth, and in heaven."

Why didn't He reveal all those truths when He came before? Why is He holding them back only until His second time here?

There was a time when people honestly believed that the Earth rotated around the Sun because the Earth sat on the back of a giant turtle that walked in orbit around the Sun.

When asked what the turtle walked on, it was stated that the turtle walked on another turtle, which walked on another. It was turtles, turtles, turtles all the way down!

Before we went into space and actually looked at the Earth, how could you, Stem, prove any different?

Just because we don't have the understanding currently to know exactly how the Universe came into existance doesn't mean that someday the Bible won't look as foolish and silly as turtles.

stemelbow wrote:If it all started some many billions of years ago, and somehow happened all by chance, then we're really just a blip in the radar of activity and existence.

When I look at the deep space pictures of the Hubble and try and comprehend how big the universe is and how old it is, it is evident that even if God exist, we still are just a blip.

Socrates wrote:Why does God hide Himself from us, from detection through our empirical and scientific abilities? If He's real, that is?

Other than His purpose in doing so is to be a benefit to us in the long run, perhaps in a way we don't quite understand, I don't really know. For some reason, as I understand it, God sees us employing faith as a necessity.

we can't come close to proving a big bang ever happend.

the solar system runs in a cycle.

look at them chemical makeups of the planets, their behaviors/activity science proves this to be true. if you don't believe me research it.

why all planets are moving closer to the sun. venus has magnetic deposits on 2 ends proving it had a moon, mars has an ice cap, no magnetic polls because it doesn't have a moon. then comes the astroid belt which is made up of the same material as earth's moon, jupiter is radio active and shrinking, saturn is made up of plazmas which are below solid's an above gasses, saturn's inner rings are lighter elements and the outer rings are heavier elements. neptune is made up of complex gasses, uranus is basicly pure hydrogen which is the simplest element. pluto is ice, hail bop is like pluto with less structure.

)0+ mercury, 0+ venus, (+) earth, <-0 mars, look at the rest of the "original planetary symbols.

3 will become 2, earth will become venus.

this cannot be refuted by science.

Buffalo wrote:Perhaps the big bang was a science experiment of some other advanced race.

That's my thought--since God is essentially part of an advanced race that we simply can't detect for whatever reason.

Scottie wrote:Just because we don't have the understanding currently to know exactly how the Universe came into existance doesn't mean that someday the Bible won't look as foolish and silly as turtles.

That day is already upon us.