Mormonism is not "Christianity"

[_malaise]

It doesn't really matter to me if Mormons want to say that they are Christians since I don't attach much importance to something as trivial as semantic distinctions, but I do have a problem with trying to latch onto a term in order to make yourself seem like you are something you are not. Traditional "Christianity" is wildly different from Mormonism when it comes to doctrine, and there are more differences than they are similarities. It makes absolutely no sense to try to say that Mormons fit into the "Christian" tradition, since they don't.

[_zeezrom]

I haven't seen a good enough argument to persuade me of your conclusion yet. Nor am I convinced that it matters. The reason I don't think it matters is because everyone makes God who they want God to be.

I'm not trying to downplay this topic. I think it is often on the minds of LDS leadership and their PR department in the COB. I also think it is a classic flamewar discussion topic for religious debaters.

A persuasive argument for Mormons being Christian is their belief in Christ having special powers to create the earth and drop sins during his time in the Garden.

A persuasive argument against might be as you alluded to with the scale of traditional Christianity vs. Non traditional and the focus of teachings being outside of the New Testament.

[_cafe crema]

and drop sins during his time in the Garden.

What do you mean?

[_zeezrom]

and drop sins during his time in the Garden.

What do you mean?

I was being ambiguous, like usual. Sorry about that. I have realized that I'm not very good at being clear in my rush to post.

I was referring to the atonement. He suffered for all the sins of mankind, making them "drop".

[_cafe crema]

and drop sins during his time in the Garden.

I was being ambiguous, like usual. Sorry about that. I have realized that I'm not very good at being clear in my rush to post.

I was referring to the atonement. He suffered for all the sins of mankind, making them "drop".

During his time in the Garden?

[_zeezrom]

café,

Of course during his time in the Garden. Where else?

Respectfully yours,

Zee.

[_cafe crema]

café,

Of course during his time in the Garden. Where else?

Respectfully yours,

Zee.

On the Cross?

[_zeezrom]

café,

I recall hearing that some people believe that way. Is that how the rest of Christianity believes? Wouldn't you have to focus your thoughts in order to redeem mankind? It would be quite a prayer. Do you believe Jesus prayed during his atonement? It seems to me that focusing while hanging on nails would be difficult indeed.

Yours,

Zee

[_cafe crema]

café,

I recall hearing that some people believe that way. Is that how the rest of Christianity believes? Wouldn't you have to focus your thoughts in order to redeem mankind? It would be quite a prayer. Do you believe Jesus prayed during his atonement? It seems to me that focusing while hanging on nails would be difficult indeed.

Yours,

Zee

As far as I know yes that's what the rest of Christianity believes, and that at Gethesame Jesus prayed if possible to not go through with what was coming but he would do the Fathers will not his own. The response to His prayer was to be strengthened in order to go on.
I also don't think the concept that it was Jesus' thoughts and prayers that atoned for mankind's sin is a generally held belief, I could be wrong about others but I know I wasn't taught that.

[_Nightlion]

As far as I know yes that's what the rest of Christianity believes, and that at Gethsemane Jesus prayed if possible to not go through with what was coming but he would do the Fathers will not his own. The response to His prayer was to be strengthened in order to go on.
I also don't think the concept that it was Jesus' thoughts and prayers that atoned for mankind's sin is a generally held belief, I could be wrong about others but I know I wasn't taught that.

Well, here's a little for ya. Christianity did not make it to the end of the lives of the apostles. It was fully corrupted and filled with gross errors and making itself up as it went along. The Book of Revelation tells the story of how hit and miss it was and John was the last apostle.

So traditional Christianity is WHAT? Fooey!
The LDS traditions are filled with fooey too.

There is no Christianity on earth today. People imagine that following Christ and striving to be more like him is Christianity. NO! Christianity is what we must do to know God. It is not about us. Any religion that tells you that they can show you how to be all you can be with Christ Jesus, is clueless about the gospel.

D&C 19: 18
18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—

Oh, and in the Garden of Gethsemane Christ drank the bitter cup and "shrank" which is more hard to bear than anything men can endure. Hanging on the nails was nothing compared with it. He bleed from every pore on his arm of atonement. As featured in a sighting upon The Apocalrock #1 in fact.

Now for all you science guys who adore the blasphemy of evolution and fossil records and what not who 'think' they read the story as it really was, consider this.

The prophecy:
Heleman 14: 21
21 Yea, at the time that he shall yield up the ghost there shall be thunderings and lightnings for the space of many hours, and the earth shall shake and tremble; and the rocks which are upon the face of this earth, which are both above the earth and beneath, which ye know at this time are solid, or the more part of it is one solid mass, shall be broken up

The event:
3 Ne. 8: 18
18 And behold, the rocks were rent in twain; they were broken up upon the face of the whole earth, insomuch that they were found in broken fragments, and in seams and in cracks, upon all the face of the land.

So at the time Christ was killed the whole earth shrank as well. This global compression blew out on the Book of Mormon side of the world where the catastrophes were much more severe.

Hmm. I wonder if this compression of the whole earth, that caused solid rocks to crack both above and below the surface might have worked to create the pressures for making oil, and pools of natural gas, even coal. All prepared for the age that was coming, you know, these days right now, where men strive with their mental might to deny God.

You see how God works? It requires the Mother of men (the earth) to react to the atonement of its creator and hunker down and prepare elements that will support billion and billions of souls in relative ease and comforts while they casually dismiss their creator. Which dismissal sets up the next earth event which is the end of the world of abomination. For abomination shall not reign. Not forever.

Such an extreme geophysical event is misread in the natural record by the over wise and conceited in their learned estimation of themselves.