Valerie Hudson of FAIR is a liar

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Valerie Hudson of FAIR is a liar

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Valerie Hudson is a liar. This weekend at the FAIR conference, Valerie stated two complete lies:

From the Mormon owned Deseret News:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7001 ... ygamy.html

Lie #1 : "there is no relation between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as the LDS Church or Mormons, and the polygamist FLDS or Jeffs"

There is a FULL relation between the FLDS and the LDS church. The FLDS church broke off during the first polygamy manifesto. They use the same Book of Mormon. They both believe that Joseph Smith restored the gospel. Both believe in eternal polygamy while the LDS church only allows polygamy AFTER a spouse has died, the FLDS believe polygamy is still on the earth. It is the sole reason they broke off from the LDS church - they believed the church had fallen due to Brigham Young's prophecy.

The residents in the area of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Arizona, have a long history of practicing plural marriage, dating to the mid-19th century. Brigham Young, then President of the LDS Church, once visited the area stating, "This will someday be the head and not the tail of the church."[30] The twin cities were once known as Short Creek, officially founded in 1913 as a ranching community.

The FLDS traces its claim to spiritual authority to accounts, starting with a statement published in 1912 by Lorin C. Woolley, of a purported 1886 divine revelation to then–LDS Church President John Taylor. They see this 1886 revelation as precluding validity of the 1890 Manifesto against new plural marriages by church members, issued by Wilford Woodruff, whom the LDS Church recognizes as Taylor's successor.[31] After the formal abandonment of plural marriage by the LDS Church, many members around Short Creek and elsewhere continued, and even solemnized, plural marriages. In 1904, the LDS Church issued the Second Manifesto and eventually excommunicated those who continued to solemnize or enter into new plural marriages.


Lie # 2: "The new and everlasting covenant, colloquially known (by Mormons) as temple marriage, is an eternal principle of the highest importance" and is based on a monogamous relationship between one man and one woman"

Doctrine and Covenants section 132 clearly states that the plurality of wives is the only way to secure an eternal life – gain exaltation and become a God.

There are three living Mormon Apostles that are have been married AND SEALED to more than one woman using Temple Marriage.

Dallin Oaks is one of them:
"When I was 66, my wife June died of cancer. Two years later--a year and a half ago--I married [in the LDS temple] Kristen McMain, the eternal companion who now stands at my side."

(Dallin Oaks, "Timing," speech delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, 29 January 2002

Note "married [in the LDS temple]" and "eternal companion". Dallin was already temple married to June Oaks and she is and continues to be his "eternal companion". Dallin Oaks is polygamist. Mormonism continues to teach AND practice polygamy through temple ceremonies.

Doctrine and Covenants 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1 - Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines—

2 - Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.

3 - Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

4 - For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

17 - For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever.

19 - And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

AND THE PROMISE---

20 - Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

63 - But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.


Valerie Hudson of FAIR is a liar, straight up.
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Infymus wrote:Valerie Hudson is a liar.

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Valerie Hudson of FAIR is a liar, straight up.


Surely you weren't surprised.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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Surely you weren't surprised.


No. But I will continue to make sure that while the nation looks at this FLDS case with Warren Jeffs, they will see that no matter how much the apologists lie about polygamy and the links between the LDS church and the FLDS church - the truth is there. They are linked. The LDS church continues to practice a form of polygamy. There are high ranking LDS Apostles that are polygamists.
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Perhaps Boyd K Packer is inspired after all...


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Infymus wrote:
Surely you weren't surprised.


No. But I will continue to make sure that while the nation looks at this FLDS case with Warren Jeffs, they will see that no matter how much the apologists lie about polygamy and the links between the LDS church and the FLDS church - the truth is there. They are linked. The LDS church continues to practice a form of polygamy. There are high ranking LDS Apostles that are polygamists.


How are you planning to make sure the nation knows anything?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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How are you planning to make sure the nation knows anything?


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Was Kristen McMain married prior to becoming Sister Oaks.
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karl61 wrote:Was Kristen McMain married prior to becoming Sister Oaks.


I assume not since Elder Oaks refers to her as his eternal companion.
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Infymus wrote:Lie #1 : "there is no relation between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as the LDS Church or Mormons, and the polygamist FLDS or Jeffs"


I agree this statement is not accurate.

When asked by my neighbor just last week whether Warren Jeffs was Mormon, I took him back through the history of the LDS Church, and talked about how Joseph Smith introduced polygamy and how some church members disagreed and said Joseph Smith was a fallen prophet; then covered the exodus out to SLC where Brigham Young publicly announced the LDS practice of plural marriage in 1852; then went up to 1890 when Wilford Woodruff publicly announced the discontinuation of plural marriage and how some people called him a fallen prophet; and how schisms from that event persist to this day that still believe plural marriage is divinely ordained of God.

It took a lot longer than just telling a lie, but I think it was worth it in the long run.

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Infymus wrote:Lie #1 : "there is no relation between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as the LDS Church or Mormons, and the polygamist FLDS or Jeffs"


Back in 2008 when the FLDS hullaballoo was in the news, I noted that the FLDS seem to be like a weird, crazy uncle to the LDS. We pretend like we don't know them, and if anyone asks we are too embarrassed to admit it, but every once in a while they show up to a wedding and get drunk and embarrass the heck out of us.
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